Parker Reproduction "Production Chart"

[Bill Murphy]

Thank you.

[William Woods]

I read the information on the "P" guns and there appears to be two different camps. One says that the "P" designated guns were "Personal" guns to be gifted by the Skeuse's. This poster states he was told this by one of the Skeuse's. Another poster states he was told by one of the Skeuse's that the "P" designation was for the "Prototype" Parker Reproductions. Earlier I asked what variances qualified a Parker Reproduction to be designated a "P" gun? I did not receive an answer to that question. Having read the information on the 20/16 gauge sets ordered by the NSFL, and the 500 Krieghoff made barrels, I have other questions. I read that the NSFL sets with the 16 gauge barrels had the 16 gauge barrels numbered to the gun. These sets were manufactured with the normal serial number process. I take that to mean that those sets were numbered 1 through 1,000. That assumes that 1,000 sets were actually produced. Does any PGCA member have any documentation of the highest number set? Were the additional 500 barrels manufactured by Krieghoff serial numbered 1 through 500? Does anyone have a record of the highest serial number of the 500 16 gauge barrels? How would one know if a 16 gauge barrel set was one of the 500, or out of a broken set out of the 1,000, aside from a serial number higher than 500? Were there any 20/16 gauge sets produced other than those ordered by the NSFL? Interesting, confusing, and informative. Thanks to all for the information.

[Dean Romig]

It’s unfortunate but it is a fact that there isn’t nearly (not even close) the factual documentation on Parker Reproduction production as we have at our disposal of original Parker Brothers guns. There are so many questions and the answers to these we will never know. There is scant little (known) documentation on the Repros that in most cases we can only make educated guesses.

I’m in the camp that believes the “P” guns were personally earmarked either to be used as gifts or specially ordered and deeply discounted by Jack Skeuse for good friends and relatives… or maybe for Presentation to those folks.

How could there have been “prototype” guns numbering into the hundreds? Wouldn’t, by the mere definition of the word, such “prototypes” be limited to just a handful of examples??

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[Wild Skies]

Although William, this post doesn’t answer your specific questions regarding the NSFL guns, it nonetheless is an interesting 4-page letter written by the president of the NSFL, Jim Rikhoff, to the members of the NSFL. Make of it what you want.

[William Woods]

Originally Posted by Greg Baehman

Although William, this post doesn’t answer your specific questions regarding the NSFL guns, it nonetheless is an interesting 4-page letter written by the president of the NSFL, Jim Rikhoff, to the members of the NSFL. Make of it what you want.

Thank you Mr. Greg.

[William Woods]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

It’s unfortunate but it is a fact that there isn’t nearly (not even close) the factual documentation on Parker Reproduction production as we have at our disposal of original Parker Brothers guns. There are so many questions and the answers to these we will never know. There is scant little (known) documentation on the Repros that in most cases we can only make educated guesses.

I’m in the camp that believes the “P” guns were personally earmarked either to be used as gifts or specially ordered and deeply discounted by Jack Skeuse for good friends and relatives… or maybe for Presentation to those folks.

How could there have been “prototype” guns numbering into the hundreds? Wouldn’t, by the mere definition of the word, such “prototypes” be limited to just a handful of examples??

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Your last paragraph is the question I originally asked, worded somewhat differently. I did not understand how there could be so many Prototype guns with the same specifications. I thought that there might be subtle differences between the guns that I was unaware of. The poster that stated that one of the Skeuses told him that the "P" guns were prototypes has yet to chime in. Thank you Mr. Dean.

[Don Mills]

Originally Posted by William Woods

Your last paragraph is the question I originally asked, worded somewhat differently. I did not understand how there could be so many Prototype guns with the same specifications. I thought that there might be subtle differences between the guns that I was unaware of. The poster that stated that one of the Skeuses told him that the "P" guns were prototypes has yet to chime in. Thank you Mr. Dean.

Here is what Richard Skeuse replied to me regarding that question based on a label found in the case of my repro:

Hi Don. I have no idea where that label came from, however as I said previously I’m not sure how many P numbered Parker Reproductions were made. I can assure you that there were not 4-5. Numbers started at P 001 I assume but that information was lost in hurricane Floyd. You have the 420th or so that was made. That is all I can tell you about the gun. Thanks
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I believe all of the P guns are 20 gauges and that there are 500 of them.

[Wild Skies]

One can read what Richard Skeuse had to say regarding the P-guns in posts #5 & #7 in this thread: https://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3468

[Bill Murphy]

The label is a reproduction of a British charge label that John Bugden filled out for his Repro. It has nothing to do with Repro production. John Bugden is a skilled craftsman and also a gun dealer.

[William Woods]

Originally Posted by Donald F. Mills

Here is what Richard Skeuse replied to me regarding that question based on a label found in the case of my repro:

Hi Don. I have no idea where that label came from, however as I said previously I’m not sure how many P numbered Parker Reproductions were made. I can assure you that there were not 4-5. Numbers started at P 001 I assume but that information was lost in hurricane Floyd. You have the 420th or so that was made. That is all I can tell you about the gun. Thanks
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I believe all of the P guns are 20 gauges and that there are 500 of them.

Thank you Mr. Mills. That label in the case would have been great if from the Parker folks, still a nice bit of "case candy". Still a bit of mystery as to how many "P" guns were manufactured isn't there? What have we seen so far as the highest serial number of the original 20 gauge "P" (prototype) guns? Somewhere a little over 400 I believe. Do you, or anyone else, know if all the Parker "P" guns had the Parker Reproduction labels in the top of the case? I have a case that is sans the label.