How big is Ithaca NID 10 mag compared to a #3 frame Parker ?

[Bill Murphy]

Has Dave "Researcher" lettered the #2 frame 20 gauge barrels I sold to him many years ago to find out the construction of that original gun?

[Craig Larter]

L.C. Smith used three frame sizes for 10ga guns during the Syracuse era according to David Williamson. Very similar to Parker. L.C. smith did not number the frame sizes but measurements across the breech balls have confirmed it. After the move to Fulton all 10's were built on the same frame.
With Parker TL hammer 10's if you wanted a 8.5lbs to 9lbs gun with 30 to 32 " bbls you got a 3 frame, if you wanted a 10lbs gun with 30 to 32" bbls you got a 4 frame, if you wanted a 10lbs plus gun with barrels over 32" you got a 5 or 6 frame gun. Just my observations but there are always exceptions.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig sends us some interesting information, but his observation about frame sizes larger than #4 in hammer guns is a bit incorrect. Hammer guns of ten gauge in frame sizes larger than #4 are rare, #5 almost nonexistent except in very early eight gauge. In sixty some years of collecting, I have never seen a #7 frame hemmer ten gauge. I would like to see one. #7 frame hammer eight gauges are the most often seen.

[Craig Larter]

Bill: I value your input and knowledge when it comes to large frame Parkers and agree that 4 and 5 frame TL hammer guns in 10ga are rare. 26498 a B TL hammer is the pinnacle of the big tens, displayed by Mr. L at last year's annual meeting people's choice award.

[Researcher]

Has Dave "Researcher" lettered the #2 frame 20 gauge barrels I sold to him many years ago to find out the construction of that original gun?

Never happened Bill. I bought a pair of 1-frame, 32-inch, 20-gauge barrels from Bud Stanley here in Spokane and after I got my 2-frame, 32-inch, 20-gauge, I sold those 1-frame barrels to you. As I recall you eventually sold them on to one of our friends.

[Milton C Starr]

I wonder if this is a #4 frame , its got some heft to it at 10 3/4lbs .
http://puglisiguns.cloudapp.net/inventory/Ant38175

Or a heavy barreled #3 frame .

[Milton C Starr]

Someone mentioned that LC Smith had different frame sizes as well for the 10 ga ?
I seen one on gunbroker a LC Smith that was a 7lb 10 ga . Has to be one of the lightest 10 gauges ive seen .

[Bill Murphy]

Dave, sorry I got my information about your barrels wrong. Pitted though they were, I'm sorry I sold them.

[Researcher]

Back to the OP's original question, here are some comparison pics of a 3-frame NH-Grade Parker Bros. and a No. 2 Ithaca NID Super-10 --

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[Dean Romig]

The Ithaca sure doesn't LOOK as strong....






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