410 O Frame?

[Twoatlow8]

Years ago at the Las Vegas Show 1996 or 97, I handled a .410 Parker Skeet configured gun on an “O” frame. The only thing that stopped me from buying it was the $17,000 price tag!

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

These were early hammer guns, correct? Is there a hammerless 20 on a 00 frame? Speaking of guns with barrels squeezed onto small frames, there are #1 frame tens and #000 frame 28s. This is information from the linked thread, repeated.

1. Yes Bill - Lifters are the ones on the tiny frame size with pin spacing less than that of the 00-frame hammerless guns.

2. No, not that anybody is aware of, including the authors of TPS.





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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

1. Yes Bill - Lifters are the ones on the tiny frame size with pin spacing less than that of the 00-frame hammerless guns.
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“Less” being a relative term. The firing pin to center of the primer was 1/64” different than the frame size eventuallly given the designation of “00”.

[Dean Romig]

Relative, being the key word, 1/64” is one sixty-fourth of an inch and that is a measurable difference, all things considered. I will have to get out the measuring stick I used when I had Tom’s gun here and put a dial caliper to it.

And I’ll dig out Austin’s records on the one had and see exactly what he measured.

Golly, but you make me work awful hard Edgar....





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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Relative, being the key word, 1/64” is one sixty-fourth of an inch .

Thank you for explaining that, for those of us who know our fractions, but may not know how to spell the numbers

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

I’ll dig out Austin’s records on the one had and see exactly what he measured.

Golly, but you make me work awful hard Edgar....

You don't need to dig anything out. The gun is no longer in Austin's estate, but owned by another collector, and we've gotten lots of measurements from it.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

You don't need to dig anything out. The gun is no longer in Austin's estate, but owned by another collector, and we've gotten lots of measurements from it.

I know that Edgar, and what was the precise measurement he determined between the firing pin holes center to center?





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[Dean Romig]

I have done more research on two of the AAHE small bore two-barrel sets I mentioned previously and it turns out that I misremembered the details of one of them. That one was made as a 28/26” and 28/28” so, being strictly a 28 gauge and ordered to a specific weight, it was made on the 00-frame and the lugs are marked as such.

The other was made in 1908 as a 20 gauge with an additional set of 28 gauge barrels and being made this early it was most assuredly made on the 9-frame size - that and that there are very likely no 20 gauge Parkers originally made on the 00-frame.

I needed to explain this because I left my post with an unanswered question.





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[Bill Murphy]

Scott J., I wonder who owns that 00 frame .410 today? I would like a second shot at it. It stayed on the market for quite awhile before disappearing.

[Dean Romig]

Bill, are you referring to the .410 prototype?





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