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Old 05-09-2016, 09:01 PM   #1
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Drew,

Thank you for the information. I suspected they were laminated but a question arose about the pattern when Brad Bachelder had them in his shop to raise a small dent in one of the tubes.

Brad suggested I contacted you to get your opinion on them. I take it from your post you think they are Birmingham Laminated hand forged rather than the machine forged laminated?
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Paul: Laminated Steel production methodology and the pattern produced went through an evolution over time. There is more information here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...t?pref=2&pli=1

The Birmingham Proof House Trial Report of 1891 included barrels described as:
1. Belgian and English Laminated Damascus
2. Machine-forged English Best Laminated Steel, 3-Rod and 2-Rod
3. English hand-forged 3-Rod Best Laminated Steel (the winner of the 1st Phase test)

Your barrel is 3 Rod, and by the pattern is not "English hand-forged 3-Rod Best Laminated Steel" which had a much finer pattern

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Thank you Drew ! You are the man !!!

I can't start to tell you how much I've enjoyed reading the various research pieces you've posted on pattern welded barrels. You are one of the main reasons most of the SxS's in my gatherings are wearing these beautiful hand crafted barrels.
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You are most welcome Paul. It's been great fun, and we all stand on the shoulders of Dr. Gaddy and others who brought a renewed appreciation of the incredible artistry of Damascus barrels.

Todd: do the barrel flats have a 'T' or a 'D'?
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Drew, it has a "T". Let me know if you need any additional pictures. I appreciate your expertise.
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Todd Allen: if you are asking about the barrels in this thread
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11695
the pattern is indistinct but appears to be Laminated Steel

This is a late 1870s 16g Lifter labeled 'Twist' but is clearly laminated steel courtesy of Albert Zinn.

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I wonder if there is a good photo of the barrel flat stamps on the barrels shown just above?

Late 1870's ('77, '78, '79, to be exact) could be Parker Bros. own produced Laminated Steel barrels.





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Sorry to stray from the fold, but it's one of the nicest patterns I've encountered.
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Will, that pattern is amazing!

Toward the breech end the pattern looks similar to Bernard but forward of that it looks like it graduates to more of a Laminated pattern.





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The difference between the crolle number is the number of "swirls between the band welds. If you count 3 swirls plus a half swirl on each side between the welds it is 4-iron





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