Any of us own CSMC Fox guns or want too?

[C.O.B.]

Greg value is in the eye of the owner. If you bought a DHE repo Parker when they were at the end of the era it was about $2500. Now it might bring $5000 used but not abused. When Tony first brought out the Fox I believe it was a CE grade and it cost $9000 today that gun will cost you close to $20,000 used.
A VHE Parker 410 in excellent condition is $30K+ My Fox Fe bought used but basically unfired was $21K that gun today is $35K plus. So I ask you where's the value???

[Wild Skies]

Originally Posted by Rich Anderson

Greg value is in the eye of the owner. If you bought a DHE repo Parker when they were at the end of the era it was about $2500. Now it might bring $5000 used but not abused. When Tony first brought out the Fox I believe it was a CE grade and it cost $9000 today that gun will cost you close to $20,000 used.
A VHE Parker 410 in excellent condition is $30K+ My Fox Fe bought used but basically unfired was $21K that gun today is $35K plus. So I ask you where's the value???

Uh, Rich, one may or may not agree with your numbers above, but for the sake of discussion let's use them. If the DHE Repro originally sold for $2500 and is now selling for $5000--that's a 100% increase in value. If the CSMC Fox originally sold for $21,000 and now sells for $35,000--that's an increase of only 60% . . . maybe now you can answer your own question.

Having said this, I love CSMC Fox guns as well as original Foxes. Kenny's new Fox is a real beauty, but one of my all-time CSMC favorites Steve Barnett still has listed -- the little 28-ga. 28" DE Special -- what a gun!

Incidently, I have an early CSMC Fox brochure that shows the CE priced at $5600. The price crept up through the years and then jumped $5K in price overnite last year to its now $19,500 starting price.

[BS]

I have owned a BHE Steel shot special in 12 gauge that I bought from Bedlans and two CSMC foxes. The first one was the 16 gauge XE made to my measurements and it was exactly as I ordered it, the second one was an FE 20 gauge 2 barrel set that was just a great buy. I shot everything with the BHE and it did everything it was supposed to but it just felt like any other Japan produced gun to me like a Winchester 23, Browning BSS, Ithaca SKB etc. neat guns but just missing that hand built quality. Could anyone ever order a Parker reproduction to there own length of pull, cast on/off, barrel length, drop at comb and heel and select the very piece of wood for the stock? I just don't think that they are even comparable but thats just my opinion and wanted to share it.

[Bill Murphy]

I'm glad that Greg brought up the fact that the CE Grade CSMC Fox was originally offered at $5650.00 (my recollection) or $5600, his recollection. That is quite an appreciation, more than any other mentioned here for other guns. I saw an AE Grade CSMC Fox offered for $5995.00. I may be mistaken about that price. How much would that sell for today? On clearing my memory, I recall that the AE CSMC 20 gauge was priced at $9995.00 at a time when the CE was selling for quite a bit more. I would have bought the gun from Tony if it were a 28 or .410, but it was a 28" 20 gauge.

[Dean Romig]

As has been said many times before, the Parker Reproduction by Winchester is a
very much under-appreciated and under-valued gun in today's market. And if the
Repro project had not been done before and was undertaken today they would be
FAR more expensive to manufacture and would retail a lot closer to the prices
commanded by CSMC for their Foxes. And, mark my words - there would be a lot
fewer Repros made than the roughly 10,000 that were.

[Phil C]

I believe CSMC will build you a 28 gauge Parker, and they are getting how much?

[Dean Romig]

Excellent point Phil.

[bill grill]

I had one of his SxS sporting clays guns. Was a great gun, zero issues, regret selling it.

[C.O.B.]

Greg I will agree with you that DE that Steve has is wonderful and I tried to trade into it but it's a consignment gun and Steve couldn't do it. It's just as well as I really don't need a third 28 but that wood is hard to resist.

If Kenny posted pics of his new gun I missed them.

[Bill Murphy]

I certainly don't begrudge Tony's price on the Fox, since he built me an astounding Inverness for a pittance and built a great number of RBLs for similar prices. You decide what your budget is and you make your decision. Anyone who thinks Tony makes too much profit on a Fox CE .410 can buy a .410 RBL for less than half the price. Tony addresses all price points and tries to meet all tastes.