Stock Book Help

[Autumn Daze]

Don't know if this will help. But I just measured two of my hammerguns. Grade 2 16 gauge lifter serial 20121 0 frame is 2.060 across the breech and my 12 gauge top lever 1 frame serial number 26145 is 2.210 across the breech

[10ga Hammer]

Chuck, Parker hammer gun #15901, #2 frame 10ga, measures 2 3/8 across the bolsters.
#17895, #3 frame 10ga measures 2 1/2 across the bolsters.
# 9848 #2 frame 10ga measures 2 3/8 across the bolsters.
17895 might be in your book. I think your conclusion is correct, indicates frame size.

[Dean Romig]

Its a curious thing that we generally measure the distance between firing pins centers in discovering the frame size but rarely, if ever, refer to other dimensions of the gun. Possibly there is a difference in this measurement between a 1-frame 16 and a 0-frame 16.... I sispect so without looking at the chart again.

[B. Dudley]

Also, why would they mark an 0 frame as 0 but the others as the bolster measurements?
And... they were marking the locking lugs with the common 0, 1, 1-1/2, 2 etc... So why would they record them differently in the book?

[wayne goerres]

I have an interesting thought. You could start a new thread.and have members measure across the balls and submit it along with the serial no and the frame size if so marked. Then someone with the serialization books could take the serial no match it to the ones in the book and see if that measurement corresponds to the no's in the book. Soon you would build a data base and confirm deans theory. Then you could possible use that information to determine frame size on guns that are not marked. Just a thought

[B. Dudley]

The 1913 example, at least, lists 0 frames simply as "0". That seems to be the oddity in all of this.

[Bill Murphy]

There has been a lot of discussion trying to disprove Dean's conclusion. To answer Brian's question, the "inches" frame size disignation was used because factory workers were selecting frames to build individual guns. Frames were not marked as to frame size. The easiest way for workers to select the proper frame was with the "inches" reference. For those still in doubt, reference the discussions in prior threads where order book references to the "2 1/2 frame" were put together with actual #3 frame guns. I own one such gun and order book copy, and have seen the order book references for others. If Chuck would like to post a reference to such an order, check the order for gun #125,757, a 12 gauge #3 frame two barrel DH.

[Dean Romig]

I measure 2 1/16" on all of my 16 gauge 0-frame hammer guns.

[B. Dudley]

I don't doubt it at all. Especially since I provided a photo of a stock book page where that info is clearly labeled as Frame Size.

It is just interesting information. We are always learning thins as to how these guns were made.

[Bill Murphy]

According to recent posts, some are still not convinced. I hope Chuck provides the reference to #125,757 in the order book. I have already paid for a letter on this gun so Chuck should be free to share the information.