A Bit of a Poll

[Milton Starr]

Originally Posted by wayne goerres

English guns seem to way slightly less than their American counter parts when all things are equal such as barrel lenth, over all lenth and guage. at least all mine do.

Wayne my C.G Bonehill weighs 10 lbs 2 oz its a 10 bore of course 32" Damascus . My next double will be either a rem 1894 or a Belgium guild gun .
Weight though hasn't never been a factor when I buy a gun then again im a young person .

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by wayne goerres

English guns seem to way slightly less than their American counter parts when all things are equal such as barrel lenth, over all lenth and guage. at least all mine do.

with my three 10 bores

one English - an ounce or two over ten pounds - 32"

two Parkers (both #2 frames) nine and just shy of nine and a half - 30 and 32"


I expect it will vary a pound or two for any 10 bore guns on either side of the pond

this may be true for 12's - the British love light 12's

[wayne goerres]

A little extra weight dosnt hurt when it comes to recoil. My scott barely tips the scale at 9 lbs and has extra full and extra full chokes. I shoot light loads (1oz) and you still have no problem telling that you pulled the triggers.

[Stepmac]

I don't have as many guns as do some of you guys. But I have two nice Parkers, a GH and an SBT. I also have a very fine Lefever I grade gun made in 1901 when Old Dan was still in the business of making guns. She a faux sidelock is plain as mud. The "I" grade was the one you'd find in the local hardware store. She was refurbished by a pro, but not brought back to new. Here she is:



This gun is a 12 with 30" barrels, F&M. Long and thin and quick to swing. These Lefevers are very nice shooting guns. Yes, they changed as time passed, but these early guns are my favorites. I'd like to have a G grade damascus gun.

When I consider buying a new Parker to shoot an I pick up this Lefever I figure that I already have a wonderful, fast, classic hunting gun.

[Stepmac]

For the past five or six years I have been drooling over Trojan Parkers. However about 15 years ago I stumbled across this Fox Sterlingworth in a local gun store. It came with its original Leg-0-mutton case. Fox guns are indeed fine guns and while a bit heavier than my Lefever it is a great gun. Also F&M with 30 inch tubes.

I love Parker shotguns as we all do, but a good Lefever and/or Fox are also wonderful shotguns and of a similar era. I've got the letter on the Fox. She is a 1928 gun.

[Stepmac]

Question: Is the Parker a better gun than a Fox? Lots of differences of course. But that darn Fox is a wonderful gun.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Steve McCarty

Question: Is the Parker a better gun than a Fox? Lots of differences of course. But that darn Fox is a wonderful gun.

That's like asking what's the better car Porsche BMW or a Benz . Or like asking what's the better female blonde ,redhead of brunette . Life's to short to debate such questions .

[Grantham Forester]

My bird hunting pal has an Ithaca 12 ejector gun with one trigger that his uncle bought new in 1940--He shoots it far better on game birds than his Browning 20 Citori- and twice he let me shoot it for a day afield while he used the Citori- Isn't the Ithaca company history as far back into the 19th. century as the Smith, LeFever and the Parker??

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by Grantham Forester

My bird hunting pal has an Ithaca 12 ejector gun with one trigger that his uncle bought new in 1940--He shoots it far better on game birds than his Browning 20 Citori- and twice he let me shoot it for a day afield while he used the Citori- Isn't the Ithaca company history as far back into the 19th. century as the Smith, LeFever and the Parker??

I do not know when Ithaca started making guns, but they do go way back. I think the Flues gun was contemporary with the Trogan, which means it was with the Sterlingworth and some Lefevers too. I guess I could Google the company and find out.

I do know that Ithaca has been in and out of business several, I believe three, times and are today back in biz making exclusively the Model 37 and they are NOT cheap.

[wayne goerres]

They make more than the model 37. They also make an over and under and a 1911 45 acp. You are right about the prices. They are expensive.