12 gauge 3" shell introduction.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Drew Hause

Took some lookin' Pete. This is interesting "Mr Griffith on Shot-gun Patterns"

The Field March 7, 1891 Vol 77:325
http://books.google.com/books?id=inQCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA234

You can enter 'wadding' in the search box and find more hits

Not easy to read. Looking at page 239 it would seem a thin field card vs. a thick field wad produced a slightly better pattern. All things being equal I would expect the longer shells with equal payload had "thicker" wadding. Could the longer shells with thicker wadding have reduced pattern effectiveness? However there is more information to take in here. what's your take?

[Researcher]

Thank you for finding this Drew.

This is a British take on things as of April 1897, and how the folks at the Schultze powder factory perceived things. Interesting, but mainly is dealing with 2 1/2 inch British shells and a wad column from 1/2 to 5/8 inch long, nothing near as long as the wad column would be in a North American 3-inch shell. When he discusses the shell actually fitting the chamber, he shows the shell openning into the forcing cone being a bad thing, but the diagram shows the shell protruding the full length of the forcing cone, not the 1/8 inch several American manufacturers came to favor. Also, quite a short forcing cone in all his diagrams.

Would be great if we could find something like this from a North American Company, DuPont, Laflin & Rand, etc. from maybe somewhere in the 1900 to 1910 vintage.

[wayne goerres]

150 yards. I want one. come to think of it make mine a double. No pun intended.

[charlie cleveland]

wayne they can put my name on a order for one of these guns too..boy what a turkey gun this is gonna be... charlie

[OH Osthaus]

that belongs in the advertizing hall of fame (or is it shame)

[Researcher]

Drew,

Another question. How are you dating that G.E. Lewis ad to 1914? The testimonial letter in it is dated 14-12-22. I'd take that to mean 14 December 1922?!?

Dave

[Drew Hause]

Thanks Dave. You are correct.

[charlie cleveland]

i just put some of those 3 inch 12 ga loads thru the old 10 ga ph grade with damascus barrels useing gage-mates...it really patterns well at the 70 step mark it put 3 no 5 shot in the dr pepper can next shot it put 2 shot in can and the 3 rd shot put only one...woulda baged even a teal at this range.. this was the 1 7/8 ounce lead load used on the can... i stated the barrel steel wrong it is twist steel... charlie

[J. A. EARLY]

Drew,

That "Woolwich" that kills at 150 yards may have been the origin of the saying "pulling the wool over your eyes!"

[Bill Murphy]

I commented on the little Fox memo over on Fox forum, but never got a reply. My question was, "How does Fox clear that memo with the hundreds of HE owners who own 2 3/4" he guns?". The memo reads like all HE guns have 3" chambers.