NO LEAD, NO POWDER AVAILABLE

[OH Osthaus]

interesting opinion John;

personally - i think thats an apple and oranges comparison

the birds are not a manufactured commodity, i respect the natural resource, powder is commercially produced to be burned in guns.

i have managed to scrounge up some of the discontinued 7625 locally lately - once I have what I think I need and will actually use in a reasonable time period , if I find more, I will offer here to pick it up for others. Because its no longer made.

For common still made powders, I get what I need for a while and will take my chances when I need more.

everyone to their own- I consider hoarding to be an act of accumulating more than you ever need or things that you don't need at all. (we can ask Dean's wife for her definition )

[Richard Flanders]

At the Denver gun show recently there were some .22's but prices were high, up to $10/box of 50 and most of it was old stuff coming out of garages and basements. There was powder. I sure wanted to pick up the three 12# kegs of PB I saw but there was no way for me to get them home. We went into Cabelas one day and they had no .22's at all and no powder. All I picked up down there was 9mm and 5.56mm bullets for reloading.

[J.B. Books]

John I thought a little bit more about the analogy you have drawn above in regards to my posting the availability of reloading powders in this current and prolonged environment of scarcity. Really, what is the difference? Not sharing your examples is a form of hoarding, it is the very "I got mine" mentality you closed your post with. In your examples the motivation is a selfish desire to preserve something for ourselves. Certainly understandable. I have enough powder for myself that I will use, and I have the technology to find it, albeit with a little patience should I want more. Since I believe it helps other members of the PGCA I will post powders I think people are looking for when I can, if I see it available. Oh and like the grouse cover above, what I won't share is the technology and method that allows me see where these items become in-stock on a dealers website as it happens, but what I will share is the bounty it provides.

Thanks Dave for your post and the idea of what the Maryland shooters website is doing. I have started a similiar thread here.

[paul stafford jr]

so just when we thought we wouldn't get any powder till spring some came in Saturday at our club ,20/28 , pb , 700x ,h110, 296, it was like Christmas , lots of 1lb bottles of pistol and rifle powder, and for the first time in a year small rifle and pistol primers

[J.B. Books]

A sign of the crazy times. Winning bidder paid over $50 a pound for 8 lbs of Hodgdon TiteGroup.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=392561195

[wayne goerres]

I guess I should run down to the local sporting goods store and buy what is on hand.

[J.B. Books]

According to this shooting sports writer there is no relief for the shortages in the near future.

http://bearingarms.com/think-the-amm...r-think-again/

[Kensal Rise]

A demand of 17 billion rounds per year?

"That’s about 5 billion rounds a year more than we were producing during the height of the Second World War," according to the author of this piece.

No one can tell me a civilian market consumes that much ammo per annum. This writer has been hosed.

[J.B. Books]

The number does sound out there but is it?

If fifty million people (14% of the population) buy or fire 1000 rounds a year (remember that includes 22 rimfire) that would be 50 billion rounds of ammo per year. The number may not be as outrageous as it sounds.

[OH Osthaus]

But the average shooter/hunter isn't seriously shooting clays or practical pistol or 3 gun.

They may shoot a box of rifle ammo every couple years, a couple to check the sights each year and a few at deer.

A grouse hunter may do a round or two of clays and a box or two at birds

Duck hunters maybe a couple more boxes of shot shells

I would be surprised if the average hunter shoots a hundred rounds a year