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[charlie cleveland]

they use to eat my dads watermelons up here in Mississippi....they would even roll the melons out of the patch into the woods sometimes it they would roll them 50 foot or fauther....unreal...charlie

[Tom Flanigan]

Charlie, that’s interesting that the coyotes rolled the melons. I’ve never heard of that before. In Saskatchewan, I’ve seen the damage caused by bears rolling on the oats in the fields. It made those areas a loss since you can’t combine oats that have been flattened. If they just ate the oats and didn’t roll on them the damage they caused would be much less. The interesting thing is that they never bothered the canola fields. Just the oat fields.

I had a farmer friend up there, called Snuffy, who just grew oats. He claimed that the bears did a lot of damage to his oats just before harvest and used to carry an ancient Winchester Model 94 on his tractor. He shot all he could that were within range and dragged them out of the fields and dumped them into the woods. When he heard that I had arrived in the small town, he would call my French Canadian friend Lawrence and tell him to send me over to shoot the bears.

I shot a total of only four over a couple of years before I decided not to shoot them anymore except for the somewhat rare cinnamon color phase. I got a cinnamon and never shot another bear. To me, it was just like shooting a big racoon, albeit with an incredible nose. I was watching a big boar bear in the fields and he was about 600 yards away but feeding toward my stand. I decided to take him when he got to the 200 yard range. I felt a momentary slight breeze on the back of my exposed neck. I thought no big deal, the bear was too far away to pick up my scent. I was wrong. In about a half minute his head went up into the air and he bolted into the woods.

The oat farmers up there don’t mind the coyotes. But bears are vermin to them.

[Gary Laudermilch]

Bears sure raise hell with corn fields around here. They wait for the corn to get in milk stage and then they can destroy a field in short order. Fields that border the woods are particularly venerable.

[Dean Romig]

Pertaining to bears in the corn...



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[Harold Pickens]

Dean, they shoot print that in the Parker Pages.

[Dean Romig]

Maybe Harold.... We’ll see.





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[Stan Hillis]

I will offer another perspective, and not in the least to try to persuade those of a different opinion. I am a row crop farmer, have been my whole adult life. i grow corn, cotton, peanuts and occasionally soybeans. I do this to make a living, not for entertainment or sport. I own a good deal of the land I farm, but lease many other farms. The deer population in this part of GA is unbelievable to those who have never seen deer per acre this high. Much of the reason it is so high is the high quality food they have ......... my crops, and those of my neighbors.

I hunted deer as a sport for many years, but quit about 20 years ago. The numbers were such that it was not hunting anymore, but just shooting. Near the end it gave me as much pleasure as stepping on a cockroach. I ate what I killed, and enjoyed it, but no longer do (hunt for sport or eat them). Why? The sheer numbers of them have turned me against them in almost every way. They destroy many, many acres of crops of mine every year, costing me tens of thousands of dollars in income. Replanting is not an option. They will eat the replanted crop as fast, or faster, than the first. They are NOT a game animal anymore, IMO, but a nuisance. Vermin. No different from a rat that slips into the barn and eats the cow's feed. No different.

I can, and do, obtain depredation permits to kill them while they are about the business of eating my crops, during the growing season. I can't stop them all. But, I do my best. Coyotes do a better job of killing them than I ever can. A turkey hunter here found an occupied coyote den one spring and put a trail camera on it. The female 'yote brought 8 fawns in to her young to feed them that one spring. So ..........coyotes are my allies, and are protected on any land I have control over. Deer eat my crops and cost me thousands upon thousands every year, coyotes eat deer, so....... coyotes are my "friends".

I don't expect those of you who think you are doing the world a service by killing coyotes to understand. You shouldn't be expected to. You perceive that they are doing you a disservice by killing the deer you love to hunt. I don't expect a cattleman to change his mind either. I have seen, firsthand, what coyotes do to newborn calves. I'm just offering a different perspective. One man's meat is another man's poison.

SRH

[10 bore]

Originally Posted by Stan Hillis

I will offer another perspective, and not in the least to try to persuade those of a different opinion. I am a row crop farmer, have been my whole adult life. i grow corn, cotton, peanuts and occasionally soybeans. I do this to make a living, not for entertainment or sport. I own a good deal of the land I farm, but lease many other farms. The deer population in this part of GA is unbelievable to those who have never seen deer per acre this high. Much of the reason it is so high is the high quality food they have ......... my crops, and those of my neighbors.

I hunted deer as a sport for many years, but quit about 20 years ago. The numbers were such that it was not hunting anymore, but just shooting. Near the end it gave me as much pleasure as stepping on a cockroach. I ate what I killed, and enjoyed it, but no longer do (hunt for sport or eat them). Why? The sheer numbers of them have turned me against them in almost every way. They destroy many, many acres of crops of mine every year, costing me tens of thousands of dollars in income. Replanting is not an option. They will eat the replanted crop as fast, or faster, than the first. They are NOT a game animal anymore, IMO, but a nuisance. Vermin. No different from a rat that slips into the barn and eats the cow's feed. No different.

I can, and do, obtain depredation permits to kill them while they are about the business of eating my crops, during the growing season. I can't stop them all. But, I do my best. Coyotes do a better job of killing them than I ever can. A turkey hunter here found an occupied coyote den one spring and put a trail camera on it. The female 'yote brought 8 fawns in to her young to feed them that one spring. So ..........coyotes are my allies, and are protected on any land I have control over. Deer eat my crops and cost me thousands upon thousands every year, coyotes eat deer, so....... coyotes are my "friends".

I don't expect those of you who think you are doing the world a service by killing coyotes to understand. You shouldn't be expected to. You perceive that they are doing you a disservice by killing the deer you love to hunt. I don't expect a cattleman to change his mind either. I have seen, firsthand, what coyotes do to newborn calves. I'm just offering a different perspective. One man's meat is another man's poison.

SRH

I understand about the loss of income, Is the land posted ? Here in NH the F&G dept. wont give out permits to thin out the deer if the land is posted. They want the hunters to help control the deer problem, up here xmas tree farms take a pounding when bucks rub up the trees. You should have hunters come in to help thin out the heard.
scott

[Tom Flanigan]

Originally Posted by scott kittredge

I understand about the loss of income, Is the land posted ? Here in NH the F&G dept. wont give out permits to thin out the deer if the land is posted. They want the hunters to help control the deer problem, up here xmas tree farms take a pounding when bucks rub up the trees. You should have hunters come in to help thin out the heard.
scott

The crop damage permits in NY, at least in the years we got them, were issued to the land owner to do with as he pleases. By law, we had to turn in each deer to the game wardens. I stopped doing that as I mentioned in another post.

Allowing hunting on the property might work and, then again, it may not. We considered it years ago but decided against it. The concern was damage to standing crops but the biggest issue was strangers on the land. The owner of the land and I both agreed that there was too much potential risk to opening the property. We have airplanes and farm equipment up there and turning strangers loose on the property to see all that was there wasn’t a good idea. We have had thefts over the years even though you have to enter the property on a long private dirt road and the airstrip and hangers are well back on the property. I lost my .243 field gun to theft.

We watch the property carefully, most days I am in the shop on the airstrip but people still sneak in. A few years ago I chased three guys who were deer hunting on the lower end of the property. They walked back to their car and then emptied their guns into the trees over my head. I could hear the slugs whistling. They were screaming F bombs at me. I had no idea who they were.

Permitting hunting might help solve the deer problem, but it could potentially open up other problems.

[Harold Pickens]

Stan, that is a whole new perspective on coyotes. Certainly could not argue against that.