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Unread 08-19-2022, 11:20 PM   #1
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That’s a bit harsh.

If a person legally takes possession of my Parker (I sent it to them for repair), but then refuses to return my Parker, even after several years of demands (in writing), I would say such person committed “theft by conversion.” You Michiganders might use the old school “larceny by conversion.” Whatever you call it, it’s a theft and it’s appropriate to report such a theft to the ATF.

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I think Matt needs to make a formal demand, in writing, to the owner(s), Parker and/or Lori Bachelder. In terms of reporting it, larceny/conversion is a state offense, not a federal offense. The GR PD will investigate, and if the facts justify a possible criminal charge, they will refer the matter to the Kent Co Prosecutor, and request a warrant be issued.

I hope that upon receipt of the letter Lori or Parker will respond promptly and return the firearm.

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Victor, Brad Bachelder was a master craftsman. He colored one of my guns and the colors came out very well. Brad did other work for me over the years and his work was always excellent.
Ive not used Bachelders since Brads unfortunate passing. His son now runs the shop. The cyinide colors on one of my Repro 20's is pretty thin. Ill either have Turnbull do the case colors or see if Dan Cullity can do them. Dan is local here in Barnsteable
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Ive not used Bachelders since Brads unfortunate passing. His son now runs the shop. The cyinide colors on one of my Repro 20's is pretty thin. Ill either have Turnbull do the case colors or see if Dan Cullity can do them. Dan is local here in Barnsteable
I had a gun at their shop for a second set of barrels to be fitted, when Brad died. It took me over a year to get it back after dozens (No exaggeration) of broken promises, and outright lies. Mother and son couldn't even agree on the BS. It came back with a nice reblued finish and daylight showing through the breech face. I'd use Rustoleum before I use them again.

The fake colors of a Reproduction are not 'Case' colors, or the result of any heat treat process. It is a dye applied to (barely) simulate case colors.
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Allen, I thought Dan was in East Sandwich. He was when I visited him a few years ago.





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Since Jay in in MI maybe he can can check things out for Matt. ?
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Send them a Registered Letter where their signature is required upon receipt of it. Keep your copy of the letter and keep the US Postal Service copy of that receipt when you receive it.
Demand the return of your gun within 30 days. This will begin your record-keeping process. Up to this point it has been nothing more than “he said - she said” and will not hold up in any court.
From that point on, any communication with them should be done by mail. Do not accept any telephone calls from them. Emails are ok because they can be printed or stored in a folder on your PC but NO phone calls because that goes back to “he said - she said”.




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I would say that Jay has just given Matt some great advice.

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And further to Jay’s great advice, whether or not you report to the ATF (in addition to local PD) depends on whether you have a federal firearms license, such as a C&R. If you have an FFL, you must report a theft. If you do not have an FFL, reporting to the ATF is not even an option.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/report-...-theft-or-loss

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The paragraph referring to the reporting of theft from non FFL holders goes off on a tangent and starts talking about assigning serial numbers. It was obviously written by a semi literate ATF employee who does not address the original question.
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I’m disheartened by the number and severity of the “rough edges” included in this thread. I humbly and respectfully ask that we just help this fellow get his gun back.
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