Western 12 gauge 3" "Record"

[Will Gurton]

Sorry I'm running a little behind the ball lately.

Here is a 3" KopperKlad box I picked up a couple of years ago.

Will

[Will Gurton]

And here is one I got in the mail yesterday.

[Bill Murphy]

Will, are these 3"?

[Will Gurton]

No Bill they are an eighth of an inch short.

Will

[Will Gurton]

Dean,

My understanding is that special wadding was used to relieve shot deformation in high end target loads and is what predicated the additional length in order to ensure proper crimp.

But I am by no means an authority.

Will

[Dean Romig]

The box is stamped 2 7/8 in. right above WESTERN

Wouldn't those have been made 1/8" longer than a 2 3/4" chamber, adhering to the old practice of making the chambers 1/8" short for a better gas seal?




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[Dean Romig]

Nor am I Will.




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[Researcher]

The Winchester LEADERs are 3-inch. Wonder if they were some heavier loads they were experimenting with in preparation for the introduction of the Model 12HD?!? Certainly a load I've never seen catalogued. Is that a one-piece box with an old-style two-piece box label wrapped around it?

The Western RECORDs are 2 7/8 inch. Perhaps some of Spencer Olin's private Pigeon loads?

[Will Gurton]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

The Winchester LEADERs are 3-inch. Wonder if they were some heavier loads they were experimenting with in preparation for the introduction of the Model 12HD?!? Certainly a load I've never seen catalogued. Is that a one-piece box with an old-style two-piece box label wrapped around it?


The Western RECORDs are 2 7/8 inch. Perhaps some of Spencer Olin's private Pigeon loads?

Yes Dave a one piece box and two-piece label!

Funny you should mention that. I was told when I bought them that they were out of East Alton, IL., but have no further info than that.

Thanks for the added details,

Will