Here we go again

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by King Brown

Paul, I don't see it the way you do---but that's okay. This one was lost long ago. Cultural change in democratic societies i.e. chewing and spitting tobacco, smoking in public places and currently vociferous social unrest with inequality.

Black and white may have worked in the Wild West. Our countries are changing at almost light speed. Finding accommodation for Reason is worrying multicultural worlds where isolation and leave-me-alone isn't the answer.

You are correct about the NRA playing the strongest role to protect US shooting interests in the money game. Political parties are unreliable. All the more reason to be wary of introducing arbitrary loyalty injunctions which divide our shooting fraternities.

We didn't do this in Canada and the result was reasonably satisfactory. We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key.

Mr King,

How do you see it...? You don't live in the US, yet you expect us to take what you say as gospel Didn't you folks up in Canada have a gun registering law that cost the taxpayers ungodly amounts of money and if I remember you "agreed with that Law" and then the law got repealed .... !
I don't know you, but I haven't ever seen you post a comment about how to, or history about Parker shotguns or any other vintage shotgun on this board or others, so I ask you when it comes to politics can you keep your comments to yourself unless it's about Canada as I don't feel you have the right to discuss our rights and our Constitution.. Sorry Eric

Moderators, If I stepped over the edge go ahead and delete my post, but I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric
Mr King,

[Kensal Rise]

[QUOTE=Eric Eis;199801 ...I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric [/QUOTE]

A prescient thought.

Kind of like François Hollande of France?

Who has inserted himself into the US election without invitation... And whose nation was overrun and occupied by a hostile foreign power twice within the 20th Century, alone. And is now losing scores of innocent residents and tourists to murderous "other invaders" on a weekly basis?

French gun laws really work! Or truck laws. Or knife laws...

Yep. Those of foreign geniuses sure know what's good for America...

[Dean Romig]

The one thing that separates us on this issue King, is that almost two-and-a-half centuries ago we chose to no longer be 'subjects' of the Realm but to be citizen soldiers, never again to be oppressed. And to never give up our arms... to anybody or any government.






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[Kirk Mckinney]

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

[Kirk Mckinney]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

P.S. That makes my Kimber MINE!!! lol

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

Not necessarily so. Here in MA a copy of the transfer of ownership form (gun registration form) including the make, capacity, and serial number is sent to the Criminal Recoeds Division and is kept on file indefinitely. This probably varies from state to state but the ATF and FBI can access these records any time they so desire, and if that isn't government gun registration, I don't know what is.





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[Kirk Mckinney]

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
He also said the end retailer had to keep the records for 20yrs. then they shred them. If they do keep one where you live. Come on down here to Texas....Lots of room, great hunting and fishing.....

[Mills]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.

That is good to know. Congratulations on your son!

[Kensal Rise]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

... I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database.... In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
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Well. If the ATF said so...
That should end all the paranoia. Or Not:

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Kirk Mckinney

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. ...

he said there is no national database.....

i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread