California's New CC Ruling

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

You are so right. All the courts of appeal, all the judges that have different interpretations are wrong. They know nothing. Case closed.

Now now lets play nice. We PGCA members are basically on the same page. The real problem is that the folks who interpret this stuff- legislators, people with black robes and the State Capitals or White House are for the most part scared stiff of guns. They never shot skeet, they never hunted, they think all food comes shrink wrapped, they don't own any guns and have never shot one. And the hardest part for us is that they are probably the 3rd or 4th generation in their family who have that in their DNA.
It doesn't matter if they are Ds or Rs. They are far removed from having any knowledge of what they have the power to regulate. And the press who report on this are in the same boat. I guarantee Anderson Cooper never shot a gun.
So the way they look at (interpret) the words are always going to be different than the way we do.
I don't know what my conclusion is.
We have a monumental educational and experiential task ahead to change the people who regulate us. We can scream that this is what the constitution means until we are blue, but if the folks in charge couldn't care less about guns, we are going to lose.
And of course it helps not when some mentally deranged person kills 26 people with a pack of guns.
I'll just shut up.

[todd allen]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

You are so right. All the courts of appeal, all the judges that have different interpretations are wrong. They know nothing. Case closed.

Judges are human, and make mistakes. Plessy v. Ferguson, and Dred Scott come to mind.

[Setter Man]

Originally Posted by todd allen

Judges are human, and make mistakes. Plessy v. Ferguson, and Dred Scott come to mind.

In 200+ years of American jurisprudence you will not find one opinion or dissent supporting the literal interpretation of the 2nd A. Pretty hard to argue that mistakes have been made when there is zero case law to support a position.

[Dean Romig]

....or shoots and kills a young singer right after her performance while she is signing autographs.
Those are the kinds of people who, unfortunately, cause all gun owners to be painted with the same brush.






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[Mike Franzen]

This is a pic of me standing in the crowded Lobby of the Lexington Hyatt regency. Imagine if I was standing in a lobby in New York or LA. No one was feeling threatened. No one called 911. Security didn't taze me and cuff me. People just looked and admired the gun or walked by. Kentucky has the most liberal gun laws of any state in the union. It's been part of our heritage from the beginning. Thankfully the Pinheads have so far been kept at bay.

[charlie cleveland]

lookin good there mike...charlie

[David Noble]

This discussion can go on and on here, just as it has for a couple of hundred years in the courts. It is senseless to argue what has already been argued over and over again. If you want to make a difference then pick a side and do something about it. It is called voting, and encouraging others to do the same.
I have no intention of turning this into a political discussion and will not mention any political parties or politicians. That being said, if you generally look at things with a liberal mindset, then you might well consider abortion a women's right to control her own body rather than an unborn childs right to a life. Or you may feel that the financially better off should be required to redistribute the fruits of their labor to support those who choose not to try to excel. And you might also think that a gun, any gun, is a savage device that has no place in a civilized society and that the constitution of the United States is a living document that needs to evolve to represent what you and others that think like you feel is the new and better way, and it is the job of the government to make sure that the change takes place.
Conversely, if you are a more conservative thinker, then you may feel that the founding fathers, though they lived in a different time, knew that they were offering a guideline to a better life for all, then and in the future. Regardless of how they spoke it or wrote it, you can get the drift of what they were trying to accomplish for the people, not the government. A person who has a conservative mindset may understand that there is a lot more at stake than the right to own firearms or protected speech, but those are two things that if lost, would give the government full power over the people. The same thing that happened to Russia, China, Germany, and other repressive countries /regimes in the past. If you think conservatively, then you might cherish what America stands for and how that came to be. It was not by constant change to be like the rest of the world but rather by sticking to a plan that was established by a people that had experienced repression from a government and chose to do something about it.
So pick a side, one that best represents your own mindset, and campaign and vote for the ones who will shape the future to meet your ideals.
It could be a long and hard process but it takes us as citizens to promote and accomplish it.

[J.B. Books]

I am just glad I got to live where and when I have so far, as George Purtill pointed out society changes over time. It seems to me that as a society loses it's morals it also loses it's rights as they walk hand in hand. So to paraphrase on old cliche, shoot 'em while you got 'em.

Also if you care about your right to own and enjoy a firearm, realize there is only so much you can do; choose where you live, write letters to the editor, donate a few bucks to the NRA. The rest is political theater.

[Big Friend Ten (BFT)]

Gentlemen,

The .pdf attachment is a long, well written document with references noted which identifies "How the British Gun Control Program Precipitated the American Revolution".

This gives more background than is commonalty known as to why a tyrannical British government of the time feared American colonists having access to firearms, especially those of local militias. That's right, organized local militias, not a national or even state guard force.

Go ahead, give this a good read and tell us what you think.

PS: Great job for most everyone on keeping this thread focused on the issue, not of politics. Yes, that is a difficult thing to do. Thanks all!

Mark

[OH Osthaus]

thanks Mark-

many people seem to have a hard time understanding when I try to tell them that the American revolution was a political ARGUMENT up until the point where the government embarked on a concerted mission to disarm the population, and that led the argument to become a shooting war