QUESTION OF VALUE

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Dave Suponski

Why! I thought it was just fine....

"I'll have a glass of whatever he is drinking..."



JD

[John D.]

"..Price Check on Aisle #4..."

Hi George!

I don't know if you saw this - but there is one on Guns International (VH, Ball Grip, 26", SN #227322....)... Asking price is $31K..?? .. Anyway - if you go here:

http://www.gunsinternational.com and search "Parker 410" - it should pop up for you?

Just another data point for you...



John

[Old and Reliable]

As the late J.P. "aka- The Nose" Morgan once replied when asked about the price of a yacht- if you have to ask, you can't afford one-- That being said, and because there is a wealth (no pun intended here John) of market knowledge about all Parkers on this Forum, let me pose this one- Take three DHE optioned Parkers- a .410, a std. 10 2 & 7/8" chambers and a 12 gauge 3" Waterfowling model- single selective trigger, pistol grip capped, skeleton steel buttplate- and all in 90% original and unaltered condition-

Ranking them in order of scarcity and market value, which one would place first, then second and then third. For what it is worth in passing, I know which one I would choose if that option were made available, and I had the funds--

I have never owned or shot a .410 in my 60 plus years of shotgunning, started out with a 20 gauge single shot. But I am NOT a skeet shooter, nor do I have quail or dove to hunt. I once read that "Ike" used a Model 42 for quail at times, I am sure in the hands of an expert shot the .410 is fine, and they do have fine lines. But wow- the market demand for them is amazing!

Best of luck and safe driving to all attending the Vintagers-!!:

[John D.]

I have to say, Francis - I actually agree with you.. That's a personal statement, though - as I also understand (and respect) those who collect, whereby it's the "uniqueness" of the configuration that sets the "value"? In other words, as you correctly note, I think we all "place higher value" on those attributes we are seeking - based on whether we want to "collect" the firearm or "shoot" the firearm (or have that particular firearm in our vault for whatever reason). I don't think they are mutually exclusive - either.

For example - I have a nice, well used - sure isn't pretty - beavertail VHE 26" 20GA with a repaired stock. But you know what - when I head out for the morning and the dew is on the grass and I'm making my way through the pucker-brush - I wouldn't sell it for 10x what it's worth to a collector, as it's never let me down. I value that Parker as much as I do that little .410, or any of my Parkers - just for different reasons, if you know what I mean?

I guess that's one of the reasons I was a little circumspect in my reply about the "value" of a ball grip (.."..I guess a BALL GRIP will add as much value as the buyer is willing to pay for it?....And frankly - I don't really care (sorry to be a dark cloud)...."..? I still don't know that "value" either?? It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay, based on their own personal reasons.

Seems like you and me see eye to eye on a lot of stuff. And for that, if you make it East this season - we'll get you going on those partridge and pheasants. And yep - you can shoot that little "cute gun". I'd be honored if you did, as it's what it is all about...

Best to you!

John

[Autumn Daze]

Francis.. As far as scarcity a DHE (steel barrels) 10 gauge would have to rank first and I would think that a 12 gauge DHE 3" would rank second. The only trouble with ranking a 3" 12 is that Parker/Remington only noted chamber length on the hang tags and order/stock books. Finally a DHE .410 would rank last as far as scarcity is concerned.

Value? The .410 is the top of the list.

Let me check the Parker Story to see if I can come up with some hard numbers.

I,m outta here tomorrow at zero dark thirty for Maryland.

[George Lander]

John: It's hard to believe what those little devils sell for. I just thought that a ball grip on a .410 Parker might be a little unique. I'm going to try and make a deal for the gun & if I do I'll post pictures & description.

Best Regards, George

[Autumn Daze]

According to the "Parker Story" there are 45 10ga. DH guns with Titanic barrels. And there are 60 DH .410 guns with Titanic barrels.

Like I mentioned before there are 6,330 DH guns in 12 ga. How many have 3" chambers. Who knows....

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Dave Suponski

Francis.. As far as scarcity a DHE (steel barrels) 10 gauge would have to rank first and I would think that a 12 gauge DHE 3" would rank second. The only trouble with ranking a 3" 12 is that Parker/Remington only noted chamber length on the hang tags and order/stock books. Finally a DHE .410 would rank last as far as scarcity is concerned.

Value? The .410 is the top of the list.

Let me check the Parker Story to see if I can come up with some hard numbers.

I,m outta here tomorrow at zero dark thirty for Maryland.

Just what I thought, in my learning curve on Parker market values- I would take a DHE std. 10 gauge with 32" barrel;s No. 2 frame choked Imp. Mod and Full as my "dream gun" as I am serious waterfowler-and RST has certainly made shooting a std. 10 gauge a reality today. The .410 "mystifies me"- aren't there both a 2.5" and a 3" chambering ( as on the M42?) Were all the Remington era Parker skeet guns (mainly VHE I believe) made with 3" chambers, so the owner could shoot either length shell at his option!

[John D.]

Originally Posted by George Lander

John: It's hard to believe what those little devils sell for. I just thought that a ball grip on a .410 Parker might be a little unique. I'm going to try and make a deal for the gun & if I do I'll post pictures & description.

Best Regards, George

You had better post pics if you get that little devil..!! Seriously - again - I can check the Parker Story, BUT - I don't know if they break out grip types? I'll check tonight when I get home, OK?? Also - if you are interested, you can PM me - I'll share with you what I was offered for mine recently (but, I'd rather shoot it then sell it ) if it helps with your negotiations?

Best to you!

John

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Dave Suponski

....I,m outta here tomorrow at zero dark thirty for Maryland.

Drive safe, buddy! And OH - TAKE PICTURES, OK???

Best to you Dave - and thanks for all you do!

John