3 inch chambered 12 gauge

[Bill Murphy]

We need to examine one of those Remington guns that Mark describes. They are 1 1/2 frame, so the barrel weight marking would tell the tale. I looked at one 3" VHE before Mark bought it and I didn't think it was that heavy. Mark, do you still have a set of those barrels so you can share the weight marking with us?

[Mark Conrad]

I sold both the AHE and the VHE. THE VHE barrels were very heavy and I didn't like the balance of the gun. I shot a few ducks with it using heavy loads and it did fine. It was actually a skeet gun that had the 3 inch barrels fitted latter and were numbered 2 on the barrel lug. Bill, you know where it bought it. I do not remember the barrel weight but the gun was a little over 8 pounds. Anyway, they are rare.

[Researcher]

The one I handled was the CHE at Randy Shuman's, probably 35 years ago now.

[Bill Murphy]

Mark, you described the bad balance on the VHE. I would own that gun now if it felt good in the hands, but it did not.

[Dean Romig]

George's 3-inch 241231



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[Mike Bartlett]

For those interested in 3 in chambered 12 ga. Parkers for use in the field, i.e. Turkey and Waterfowl, they can be produced from low-grade, 2-frame 12 Parkers. Presently, we have Ten (10) 2-frame 12 VH & Trojans with 30 in barrels that have had the chambers lengthened to 3 in and forcing cones appropriately tapered. And, all passed proof-testing with 3 in magnum proof shells--18,000+ pressure loads. Vulcan steel and Trojan Steel barrels from serial numbers 91,6xx to 228,1xx passed the proofing; all 10, 2-frame with barrels with weights from 4-1 to 4-4; no ring-bulges. Master Gunsmith Ed Lander, NH, measured the wall thickness first prior to chamber lengthening and proofing. These guns were not designed to be 3-in, as the Delgrego's point out, since original 3-in barrels have more steel and little to no taper/swamping at the breech. However, the steel in V-Grade and Trojan grade guns is very hard and strong. Larry, Jr has found that it takes 4 hours to polish V and Trojan barrels and only 2 hours for Peerless prior to re-bluing; very hard steel. Obviously, the steel is different--which is a big contention in Parker discussions. However, the proof is in the proof-testing. Installing a 4 in Edwards mercury reducer and fitting with a good recoil pad brings the weight of these guns to 8 1/2 pounds and they still balance slightly back of the hinge pin. I have been using a steel barreled P-grade 3 in 12 as well as two sleeved/mono-blocked by LeFever Mag 10 Parkers for years turkey and waterfowl hunting. So, for those interested in an unavailable 3-in 12 Parker original, if you can procure proof-loads, one can be had. Note: Ed just used his last 3 in proof shells on an original 2-frame Trojan 12 that was sent to Remington in 1953 for reconditioning-barrels re-blued, re-cased and stock refinished; barrel flats marked RRR-3, No. 2281xx.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Michael Bartlett

For those interested in 3 in chambered 12 ga. Parkers for use in the field, i.e. Turkey and Waterfowl, they can be produced from low-grade, 2-frame 12 Parkers. Presently, we have Ten (10) 2-frame 12 VH & Trojans with 30 in barrels that have had the chambers lengthened to 3 in and forcing cones appropriately tapered. And, all passed proof-testing with 3 in magnum proof shells--18,000+ pressure loads. Vulcan steel and Trojan Steel barrels from serial numbers 91,6xx to 228,1xx passed the proofing; all 10, 2-frame with barrels with weights from 4-1 to 4-4; no ring-bulges. Master Gunsmith Ed Lander, NH, measured the wall thickness first prior to chamber lengthening and proofing. These guns were not designed to be 3-in, as the Delgrego's point out, since original 3-in barrels have more steel and little to no taper/swamping at the breech. However, the steel in V-Grade and Trojan grade guns is very hard and strong. Larry, Jr has found that it takes 4 hours to polish V and Trojan barrels and only 2 hours for Peerless prior to re-bluing; very hard steel. Obviously, the steel is different--which is a big contention in Parker discussions. However, the proof is in the proof-testing. Installing a 4 in Edwards mercury reducer and fitting with a good recoil pad brings the weight of these guns to 8 1/2 pounds and they still balance slightly back of the hinge pin. I have been using a steel barreled P-grade 3 in 12 as well as two sleeved/mono-blocked by LeFever Mag 10 Parkers for years turkey and waterfowl hunting. So, for those interested in an unavailable 3-in 12 Parker original, if you can procure proof-loads, one can be had. Note: Ed just used his last 3 in proof shells on an original 2-frame Trojan 12 that was sent to Remington in 1953 for reconditioning-barrels re-blued, re-cased and stock refinished; barrel flats marked RRR-3, No. 2281xx.

To each there own, they are your guns to do with as you please, as far as I am concerned all that was accomplished is the ruination of some V's and Trojans.

[Bill Murphy]

The Lefever monobloc ten gauges are wonderful guns. I own one in DH grade.

[charlie cleveland]

i hope some day that i might come across one of these 10 ga magnums in a parker....i have shot several of the old spanish doubles 10 s but they are some what on the bulkie side..bill does your 10 ga handle well....charlie

[Drew Hause]

Mike: who is the 'we' that has 10 chamber lengthened 12s?

Is this the Master Gunsmith Ed Lander of which you speak?