No makers identification on frames

[Jim DiSpagno]

Dean, I've seen that type on Remington shotguns of pre-war age. But not too often

[charlie cleveland]

rather unusal but nice guns anyway...wish i had one....charlie

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

Dean -that is a wicked unusual butt plate. It looks like it was born on that gun. never seen one. The usual era plate is a Parker without Bros non-spurred plate.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by George M. Purtill

Dean -that is a wicked unusual butt plate. It looks like it was born on that gun. never seen one. The usual era plate is a Parker without Bros non-spurred plate.

Right George, but what did Remington use for a replacement for the "Parker Brothers" dog's head butt plate before they manufactured their own "Parker" dog's head butt plate? The one I posted the picture of, I believe - possibly a "transition" butt plate...?

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

This is a very good thread that Ralph English started in 2012. I ran into it in the course of my Remington research.
The interesting thing for me is that NONE of these guns are Remington guns per se. Remington guns are thought to be 236531 and onwards. All of these so called transitional guns are before that.
However, what we have or at least I have learned is that there are no bright lines in Remington or Parker production.
Dates and serial numbers are estimates only. There is a lot of room on each side.

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Right George, but what did Remington use for a replacement for the "Parker Brothers" dog's head butt plate before they manufactured their own "Parker" dog's head butt plate? The one I posted the picture of, I believe - possibly a "transition" butt plate...?

Agreed. I think there was a period of time, perhaps turmoil, where they were not sure what they were going to change or keep. In my upcoming article on the Remington guns, you will see my position is that they told management that they were going to NOT lose money on the Parker operation, nothing would be thrown away and nothing new would be started until they had to.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by George M. Purtill

This is a very good thread that Ralph English started in 2012. I ran into it in the course of my Remington research.
The interesting thing for me is that NONE of these guns are Remington guns per se. Remington guns are thought to be 236531 and onwards. All of these so called transitional guns are before that.
However, what we have or at least I have learned is that there are no bright lines in Remington or Parker production.
Dates and serial numbers are estimates only. There is a lot of room on each side.

I would suggest that these particular guns may have been those that had been started before the purchase/sale of the 'Parker Gun works' as part of the inventory of machinery, tools, parts, completed guns and uncompleted guns, and finished after Remington Arms ownership.

Notice that the butt plate on 236199 has the correct spur too.




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[Frank Childrey]

I have a 12 gauge Trojan that, too, has no marking on the sides of the frame. Markings on the rib, barrel flats, and water table are all consistent with Parker Bros. usual markings including "Overload Proved." Interestingly, according to the letter, Parker Bros. made the gun in 1930 but it did not ship until 1934. I found the gun in Memphis, TN and acquired it through the good offices of M. V. Highsmith.

[Frank Childrey]

Serial number is 234987.

[TOOL MAN]

Ser.#236,533. No frame markings.
R.I.P. Lt .Cmdr. Averill



BTW, has anyone ever pinned down a date ( month,week) when guns started flowing from Ilion or as a follow-up, when shipments officially ceased from Meriden?