28 ga

[Bill Murphy]

Some orders for Parker 28s specify a choke designation. I have had two early 28s, one provenanced at cylinder and full, the other provenanced at modified and full on the original orders. The seller should try to prove his chokes original with a PGCA letter. The stock may be original, probably is, but the buttplate is a reduced #1 frame style buttplate, maybe a repro because the screws don't set perfectly. The #0 style buttplate has a different dog than the one pictured. I still like the gun, at least at the starting bid or a bit below.

[Kevin McCormack]

Never assume that someone has altered the chokes on a smallbore gun without a letter. I owned and shot for years a VH 0-frame 28 that lettered with CYL and MOD chokes from the factory. Without provenance, we are only guessing.

[Old and Reliable]

[quote=Bill Anderson;44991]In my opinion, I don't you think you have to worry about it being "snapped up" in this depressed "that's too high of a price" state of gun value mind set that we are in. To me saying you would buy it "but", is the gentleman's way of saying it is priced too high for today's market. Besides the seller stating it is choked IC & IC for a 28 gauge tells me the barrels have been most likely messed with.

A real turn off for me. and the fotos I saw showed the last three digits of the sn on the water table ground off- Many years ago I bought a AH Fox 12 from a pawn shop and the sn's had been ground/filed off- that was maybe 22 years ago Today, I would no more touch a firearm for sale so "marred" than I would date Monica Lewinski--

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[Richard Flanders]

I was wondering about the butt plate Bill. Somehow it looked wrong - too unworn - and maybe like one of the repros available now. I don't know them well enough to spot generational differences as some of you do. He does say the stock has been refinished and the checkering looks chased, as it 's a bit sharp for a gun that old.

Francis: I think he says in his description that he had intentionally obscured the S/N in the pics. I still don't get that one. Why do folks do that?

[Brush Buster]

You have to watch those serials ,this past weekend ,at a gun show I attended ,I asked a seller if I could take a look at a very nice Model 12 ,20 Ga. he had priced in the $400.00 range ????? When I went to take a look at the serial # ,It had been filed off and not even smoothed out trying to hide the fact ! There's a Red Flag for ya !

[Dean Romig]

WOW Attempting to sell any firearm where the serial numbers have been altered or removed is a federal offense. Good luck to that guy!!

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Russ Jackson

You have to watch those serials ,this past weekend ,at a gun show I attended ,I asked a seller if I could take a look at a very nice Model 12 ,20 Ga. he had priced in the $400.00 range ????? When I went to take a look at the serial # ,It had been filed off and not even smoothed out trying to hide the fact ! There's a Red Flag for ya !

-check out any M12 with a Simmons or Moneymaker rib and a "pregnant do-do birdie" scratched on the magazine ext. with the lettering "Pidgeon Grade" at least they spelled Grade correctly-- what was it old P. T. Barnum said- about "one born every minute, and two waitin' to take his $""-- Another VH 28 discussed herein was said to have 26" uncut barrels both Full Choke- wow- I don't mind "rag-rippin'" a flying poopwagon (barn pigeon) with either my 12 PH 30" F&F or my 12 32" Smith 2E 32" F&F) but for grouse, quails, timberdooles, perhaps a tad too tight- does anyone make spreader loads for the 28 bore today?

[Fishtail]

The numbers are not altered, other than with Photoshop.

[Dean Romig]

I have a 28 ga. VHE 00-frame with F/F 26" barrels. It's not easy to get good skeet scores with this one...

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

I have a 28 ga. VHE 00-frame with F/F 26" barrels. It's not easy to get good skeet scores with this one...

Ya-- we used to shoot "Full choke skeet" with M12 Trap guns, way back in the before Sporting Clays and battutes era--I always liked what Nash Buckingham said about station 8--One friend broke 21 for 25 shooting "full choke skeet" with his M12 Trap gun- we found out later he was using paper spreader loads. Now what was real fun was shooting trap at night under lights- back in the days when a "White Flyer" was just that- white, none of this Hunter Safety orange stuff- and the old tracer loads--hard on the barrels I guess, phos loads ??- sorta like the "Willie Peter" parachutes flares getting airborne at O'dark thirty in I Corps sector USMC territory-

Back to night trap-when you fired, you were supposed to see with the tracer where your pattern was in relation to the clay-ten to a box if memory serves.