Compare and Contrast

[Bill Murphy]

Parker skeet guns were not choked for modern skeet shooting style, but neither was the Model 21. Some of each were choked for owners who knew which end the shot comes out. That proper choking would be near cylinder in both barrels. Some few Parkers and fewer Model 21s were choked for modern skeet.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

That's a lot of choke even for a going away bird. Ida guessed more like .012"-.014"

I agree Edgar - my example was intented to estimate the least amount of choke and the possible greatest amount. The numbers you suggest I would think would be perfect for a 28 gauge and I thought a 12 gauge might have a bit more constriction judging by the size of the bore.





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[James L. Martin]

I will add for info my 20ga Winchester model 21 skeet gun chokes are: WS1 = .006 , WS2 = .008. Also all WS1 are bell shaped. WS2 chokes are like normal chokes.

[edgarspencer]

Ive had this chart glued on the floor of my barrel tool case for years.
The only dedicated skeet guns I had were a 12 & 20ga Winchester 101, and I can't remember what the the dimensions of the 12 were, but the 20 was .005" and .011".

[Cold Spring]

Originally Posted by James L. Martin

I will add for info my 20ga Winchester model 21 skeet gun chokes are: WS1 = .006 , WS2 = .008. Also all WS1 are bell shaped. WS2 chokes are like normal chokes.

Jim, it seems there are exceptions to the WS1 choke being hour glass/bell shaped. I’ve got a Model 21 two-barrel set (both 28") with s/n 67xx in 16 bore, non-auto safety, and its close barrel is factory choked and stamped WS1 and WS2. WS1 choke in the right barrel and IS NOT bell shaped, it's full tapered about 3.5" long and choked .005" using my Baker bore mike. Its left barrel WS2 choke is about 4" long, also full tapered and with .013" constriction. Both tapers are highly uniform from start to muzzles. Comments?

Incidentally the second barrel set is choked I-Mod and Full.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

Jim, it seems there are exceptions to the WS1 choke being hour glass/bell shaped. I’ve got a Model 21 two-barrel set (both 28") with s/n 67xx in 16 bore, non-auto safety, and its close barrel is factory choked and stamped WS1 and WS2. The WS1 choke IS NOT bell shaped, it's full tapered about 3.5" long and choked .005" using my Baker bore mike. Its WS2 choke is about 4" long, also full tapered and with .013" constriction. Both tapers are highly uniform from start to muzzles. Comments?

Incidentally the second barrel is choked I-Mod and Full.

My comment Frank is that the #1 barrel, the right barrel, in Skeet is fires at the outgoing clay, therefor it was normally choked tighter than the #2 barrel.
Usually the #1 barrel in Skeet was the right barrel and the left barrel, #2, was the more open choke for the incomer.

However, I have heard that Winchester screwed this system up and went with the left barrel/choke being #1……. …. This might have had something to do with the fact that most Skeet guns produced as ‘factory Skeet guns’ were being produced with a single trigger.






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[Dean Romig]

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[J.B. Books]

FWIW my 12ga GHE Skeet is .007 in right barrel (Skeet Out) and .004 in left barrel (Skeet In). According to the factory letter, the gun was begun in June 1934, shipped to the warehouse on January 13, 1935 and shipped to E.C. Palmer on March 23, 1936. Almost two years from when work began to it being shipped to a buyer.

[James L. Martin]

Frank, I have measured maybe 6 ws1 chokes in 12 and 20ga model 12 and 21's. They were all bell shaped, but I have not had a 16ga ws1 to check, maybe they are different. I think I read somewhere that Winchester had a patent on the ws1 choke.

[Cold Spring]

On the Model 21/16g I cited here earlier the right barrel is choked/stamped WS1.