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Unread 07-04-2021, 09:33 AM   #1
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You could also order a letter.
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You could also order a letter.

In the interest of sharing for the common education of everyone interested and whereas I don’t own the gun, it having possibly been broken up for parts or it at least doesn’t currently have these reverse choked barrels, I believe I won’t “order a letter” and if Chuck chooses to look up the order and share his findings, if any, that will be his choice, thanks.





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S/N 57043 is listed in the order book as a Grade 2, 10ga. with 30" barrels. No mention of reverse chokes. Unfortunately there is no stock book so we can't see the pellet counts. I have seen on occasion where the order book would specify choking the RH barrel tighter than the left. More than likely, if I can read the pellet counts in the stock book, I've seen it there too. I don't recall ever seeing an order for the triggers to be reversed so the front trigger would fire the left barrel first but never say never. If I run across one, I'll let everyone know.
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Early skeet guns were reverse choked because early skeet was shot high house beyond the stake (long range, tight choke) and the low house was shot close to the shooter (short range, open choke). Unfortunately, the whole scenario changed on the right side of the field and the selector would have to be changed on a single trigger gun to make things "right". The truth is that if a shooter was any good, it didn't matter what choke he used on what bird. Having the selector in the wrong position when the shooter arrived at station eight could and would result in a lost bird because of a shell loaded in the wrong chamber after messing with the selector. In today's skeet world, both barrels are choked the same.
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Early skeet guns were reverse choked because early skeet was shot high house beyond the stake (long range, tight choke) and the low house was shot close to the shooter (short range, open choke). Unfortunately, the whole scenario changed on the right side of the field and the selector would have to be changed on a single trigger gun to make things "right". The truth is that if a shooter was any good, it didn't matter what choke he used on what bird. Having the selector in the wrong position when the shooter arrived at station eight could and would result in a lost bird because of a shell loaded in the wrong chamber after messing with the selector. In today's skeet world, both barrels are choked the same.


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Over my dogs I almost alway shoot the open barrel first. Most of my guns are set up this way. Many times there is a covey rise and the chance to shoot a 2nd bird. Normally this means a crossing or straight away bird which is getting further out.
When I shoot doves at the dairy it depends on the flights of birds and the direction they are flying. Many times a flock of birds will be crossing or flying to you. If I am shooting my A-10 or model 21 with the ability to select which barrel fires first I will select the tightest barrel to fire first killing a bird coming in then firing the more open barrel as the birds flare but still are getting closer.
Most of the time I just shoot what ever gun I take and don’t worry about it. The only time I really consciously pull the rear trigger first if I trying to shoot those pigeons that drop in really high, fast, and seem to know to stay just on the outskirts of my effective range.
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Thank you Chuck for your contribution to this thread.





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More commonly reverse choking is seen on early Skeet guns, regardless if the gun has double triggers or a SST. The first shot is fired at a fast outgoer and which (ergonomically and trained muscle memory) is taken with the front trigger - right barrel. These are certainly the most common of reverse choked guns.





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There is a letter on this gun showing the gun as ordered with choke; RH 70%, LH CYL. It was ordered with no safety and 26" barrels. All of this just adds to the questions.
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