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[Bruce Day]

I know. So hard to decide. Sarah Jessica Parker or a Trojan, or a Trojan or Sarah Jessica. Maybe both?

[Richard Flanders]

A bit hard to read the bottom table that Dave posted but the middle one indicates that in 2-3/4" chambers loads of 10,500psi are ok. The middle one looks like it suggests 3-3/4 - 4 dram loads. Seems someone recently posted that the traditional 3-3/4dram, 1-1/4oz loads of recent yesteryear(50's-70's)are in the 10,500psi range. I've acquired a lot of those stout old loads the past couple of years and have shot them in stout and not so stout Parkers and my Daly and I can tell you they boot you good in the lighter guns, which is part of the reason I just purchased the #2 framed SG VH12 off Gunbroker. I really don't want to crack a stock on the lighter guns. Strangely enough, the Parker I worry the least about is my 1883 hammer gun with it's nice stout bbls and stock. I think it would even handle the old paper Super-X 2-3/4" 1-1/2 oz magnum 2's I picked up this fall, but I think they'll get passed on to Destry for use in his big #3 framed gun instead. Am I reading these posted load tables correctly??

[J.B. Books]

Are you guys on drugs? You would mix a good looking conservative well built Trojan with an ultra liberal gun grabbin hollywood siren?

Hell with the gun I can buy those, just have Santa bring me conservative Megyn Kelly of Fox news any day.

[Bruce Day]

Yes. Some are definitely stout, stouter than I like for my shoulder, but the gun was designed and built to take it. These guns are more capable than a lot of people give them credit for. I load down too, but I'm frustrated when we don't distinguish between choice and the fact of what the gun was made for.

[Bruce Day]

Sarah Jessica is for Francis to tame. Just talk to her, Francis.

[Richard Flanders]

"Some are definitely stout, stouter than I like for my shoulder, but the gun was designed and built to take it. These guns are more capable than a lot of people give them credit for. I load down too, but I'm frustrated when we don't distinguish between choice and the fact of what the gun was made for."

I agree Bruce. I don't worry as much about the gun other than the stock. My #1-1/2 and smaller frame guns have pretty slim grips. No way I'd put those stout 3-3/4 dram loads through my 1-frame 12ga damascus gun. That would hurt regardless of whether the gun would handle it.

[Bruce Day]

That's true, those light 12's can kick a lot. But there are a bunch of 12's out there with fairly thick wrists too. I saw one the other day that was built for a man with a way bigger than normal hand and a 15" LOP.

Years ago I passed up a genuine 6 1/2 lb VH 12ga 26" 1 frame ......4" DAH. Was interesting but I bet it kicked hard.

[Blind Dog]

Sure hope Pete didn't forget the Trojan under the bed when he checked out with SJP. I guess the poor housekeeper is used to dealing with that sort of thing.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Fred Preston

Sure hope Pete didn't forget the Trojan under the bed when he checked out with SJP. I guess the poor housekeeper is used to dealing with that sort of thing.

Worse things have happened, somebody sold a house with an Invincible in the attic.

[Bruce Day]

Fred, it was Francis, not Pete Lester, who was with SJP. Or maybe it was Pete's evil twin Moe.