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4759 was my go to powder for smokeless 45/70 & 38/55 loads. It's no longer produced. Switched the bigger cases to 4227 which is the most often used 32/40 powder . In the larger cases its position sensitive which is not a negative target shooting, if you mount the gun same way every time. Old manuals Recomended 4198, I don't know of anybody who uses it.
At one of the big long range shoots Quigly I think , several rifles have been blown up with 5744. All sorts of Internet arguments why. My guess is a double charge. Really Black Powder is the best option with Trail Boss 2nd & I prefer Black by a large margin. Big cases are hard to load with smokeless. I had a Marlin 1895 45/70 tried my best to get good smokeless performance in NRA Lever Rifle Silhouette. (black not required) Gave it up for a 30/30, caliber that wins most matches . All that empty space has to dealt with somehow and the solutions all have negatives. I still shoot some Pistol Caliber Silhouette with Black in a Marlin 1894 38/40 and clean up is not a problem, but a much better performer is a 2nd near twin 1894 in 25/20 using smokeless powder. Small case full. William |
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Trail Boss is a great smokeless powder for the large cases. I use it in a 500 BPE double and for reduced loads in a 450-400 3" NE. I down load my 375 H&H (pre64 M70) with 4227 and a jacketed pistol bullet. It makes for a fine deer round.
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You do not want to load old big bore cartridges with any powder that does not fill the case 100% . I think that real black powder is best , but if you worry about the fowling and cleanup I would try that Blackhorn 209, you load it the same as black , that is by volume. Fill the case and put a nitro card on top of powder then bullet to achieve AOL. I have loaded a few hundred rounds with it and all have shot great. I do plan on also trying Trail Boss.When you have extra air in the case you can get a chamber ring or worse. Just use a mag primer as Blackhorn 209 is hard to ignite. By the way Blackhorn 209 is I believe the only black powder substitute that is non corrosive and you clean up the same as any smokeless powder. Trail Boss is not a black powder substitute.
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Thing about small charges of fast powder is chance of a double charge. I double charged a 32/40 when breech seating my CPA Schuetzen rifle. Fellow distracted me loading at the shooting bench, not a excuse my fault. . Bigger bang no damage. It's a modern steel reproduction action that's capable of handing high power bottle neck cartridges, and the 4227 load was a mild one to start. .
After asked the question on ASSRA forum, who will admit they have double charged. Half a dozen guys said they have. Since I am more careful and check all loads with a drop gage. And that rifle will stand it. Weaker actions may come apart. Very good reason to use case filling loads in Lever action rifles. William |
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I use a lot of Trail Boss. My wife, my daughter, and I all shoot SASS Cowboy Action. I just got finished loading all 4000 of our .38 Special brass with Trail Boss. We shoot that from our revolvers and Marlin 1894C's. I also use it to load .44 Specials for my Wild Bunch 1894. Before we moved to all Marlins, I've used it in Rossi 92 rifles and carbines in .38/357 and .44. I still have those for backups.
I use Trail Boss in my original 1894 Marlin (1895) and my original 1892 Winchester (1910), my pair of S&W 1905's in .32-20 (1907 & 1909) and in my S&W Safety Hammerless in .38 S&W (1895). Trail Boss is a lot more versatile powder than a lot of folks think. There is a data sheet from IMR, who originally developed Trail Boss, that tells how to make up a load for anything you want to shoot. There is a link to the sheet below. It's worth taking a look at. Trail Boss Data Sheet |
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I have some trail Boss laying around here somewere. I may try it.
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try it you'll like it. I sure do
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Rich is your 450/400/3" a double. What weight bullet are you shooting with reduced loads and if a double dose it regulate.
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