Identifying a 1/2 Frame

[GH-16]

I just noticed that this got posted in the for sale section. I thought I was in the general discussion forum.

Would the moderator please move it to the general discussion section & remove it from here. I apologize for my mistake.

[John D.]

You are all set Paul - no worries.!

John D.

[Bill Murphy]

You will find the 1/2 frame difference when you measure the width of the forend. Look at the chart.

[GH-16]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

You will find the 1/2 frame difference when you measure the width of the forend. Look at the chart.

Please explain Bill. I didn't find any information on forend measurements. Wouldn't the width of the forend be based on the width of the frame at the hinge? Where can I find the data that confirms the forend determines what the frame size is?

[Bill Murphy]

Yes, the rear of the forend and the front of the frame are the same width. The 1/2 and the 1 are different. The 1/2 is the same as the 0.

[GH-16]

Thanks for the clarification on the forend. Looking at the chart it appears that the measurements across the hinge & across the breech are all shared by 1/2, 0 & 00 frames.

Now that we have determined how to identify the measurements for a 1/2 frame. What do you usually find for the proportions of the rest of the gun to match the scaled down 12ga frame?

In particular does the butt stock usually have dimensions to match a slimmer frame profile. I ask this because I have a VHE 12 of the same era in the 241,000 serial number range on a 1 1/2 frame. The stocks on both guns appear to be of the same dimensions in the wrist area & across the comb. I'm just wondering why have a smaller scaled frame & then not scale the wood in a similar manner?

[Bill Murphy]

You first must examine the "chart" on page 527? of TPS to answer questions for identification. Next, you must understand that light guns were made on big frames and heavy guns were made on small frames. 1/2 frame guns were made as 8 pound plus trap guns. Such guns are in the collections of PGCA members. Serial number 241,000 is an example. I have a 1/2 frame gun that is among the lightest of 1/2 frame guns, having a very light set of non original 1/2 frame barrels and a stock that is lighter and of smaller dimensions than many .410 bore 000 frame stocks. 1/2 frame guns are among the most interesting and diverse guns made in the Remington era. One of our members is studying the 1/2 frame guns as a research project.

[wayne goerres]

Probable won't be an argument over the vice. It is plainly marked.

[Jean Swanson]

I read on a set of original Parker blue print dated some where around 1920 "that all 1/2 frame guns will be on 1 frame actions ".

If I recall , I posted this sometime in the past. Question---was this factual ??? I certainly do not know.

Allan

[Bill Murphy]

Allan, Dave Suponski sent me a copy of that memo for my 1/2 frame research collection. The result of that memo is that #1 frame barrels will fit on a 1/2 frame action. However, there are other differences, like the forend attaching area. My 1/2 frame DHE actually has a second set of #1 frame barrels. The #1 frame barrels require a #1 frame forend and the 1/2 frame barrels require a #0 or #1/2 frame forend. Oddly, the memo was dated long before the 1/2 frame was put into production. Thanks, Allan.