Remington DEO today

[Researcher]

Wow!! That could be a worthy restoration project. Any pictures of the 2 7/8 markings? According to surviving hang-tags I've seen, Remington Arms Co. 12-gauge doubles were made for 2 5/8 inch shells. In his book, the late Charles Semmer showed a CEO-grade with 2 3/4 markings on the bottom of the tubes just forward of the barrel flats.

I'm sure that with a liberal application of dollars one of our good stock men could make it look a bit more like this --

[Cold Spring]

Phil, what a great 1894 and so worthy of a restock. Nice catch!

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

..... According to surviving hang-tags I've seen, Remington Arms Co. 12-gauge doubles were made for 2 5/8 inch shells.....

So, production guns were made for 2-5/8" shells. Good solid information. I wonder, did Remington follow that "practice" we're told about, that chambers were held 1/8" short for the cartridge? Said another way, do 12 gauge Remington SxS chambers intended for 2-5/8" shells actually measure about 2-1/2" long? Or are they full length at 2-5/8" long? And if not short-chambered, why didn't the Company follow that practice that's been broadly interpreted from tidbits of period evidence?

This gun is stamped 2-7/8 and one of the posts says the chambers measure 2-7/8. A similar question, was it made for the period 2-7/8" shells or period 3-inch shells?

[Phil C]

I will get some more pictures tomorrow morning I will get the pictures of the barrel markings as well as the markings on the water table. The 2 7/8 is marked on the barrels where they meet the barrel flats as I recall. Barrels are 30" marked Ordanance Steel.

[Phil C]

What grade would the DEO compare to Parker models?

[double barrel]

Phil,
It was a $155.00 gun with ejectors

[Drew Hause]

1902 The Pacific Hardware & Steel Co., San Francisco, CA
Non-ejectors
...................Parker..................L.C. Smith................Remington
$70...............VH........................No. 0E ($60)............BO ($75)
$80...............GH........................No. 2......................BEO
$100.............DH........................No. 3......................CE ($95)
$150.............CH........................No. 4.......................D
$200.............BH........................No. 5.......................E ($225)

[Phil C]

Thanks for all of the feedback guys. I will be posting some more pictures in a few hours.

Were thes D grades stocked with exhibition grade American walnut?

[Bill Murphy]

I would say "yes" to that question. Are you sure this is a 12 gauge and not a 10?

[Researcher]

I recently scored an 1895 vintage picture of 39 men of the shotgun department at Remington Arms Co. There were three Goughs in the picture -- George Gough, Herb Gough Sr., and Bert Gough Jr. No Joe Loy or Owne DeLange in the picture, but it did include a fairly young Be(u)rt Becker.

I wouldn't let any Juglans nigra anywhere near that gun. Only Juglans regia!! The Remington Arms Co. catalogs of the period state the K-grades were stocked in "selected walnut." Remington Hammerless Doubles from A-Grade to EEO-Grade were stocked in "English Walnut" and the Remington Special in "Circassian Walnut." For A- & B-grades and the FE-Grade Trap Gun the later catalogs state "English Walnut", for C-Grades "Fine English Walnut", for D-Grades "Fine selected English Walnut" and for E-Grades "Best English Walnut."

[Phil C]

Gun is now mine. I plan to have restocked. It is definitely a 12 gauge I took the chamber gauges with me this morning. Also the chambers measure exactly 2 7/8".
Every time I say no more SXS something comes along that I would never had expected and I fall off the wagon.

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