Winter Project

[10ga Hammer]

It would be great to have the original hang tag, and if listed, compare the load used to target the gun, to the pellet count given. Wonder if anyone has ever done any comparative research on targeted loads and pellet counts? W.W. Greener lists pellet counts at 40yds for 28,20,16, and 12ga but no chart for 10ga. Currently the barrels measure .033 restriction.Guess I'll just have to stir up some brass hulled BP loads and find out.

[Bill Murphy]

The shot was probably 1 1/4 ounces of Tatham. I can't remember where we access the information about pellets per ounce by brand, but #8 is usually around 410 per ounce. I have a set of pattern cards for one gun, two different loads, two different ranges and target circumferences. I will try to make heads or tails of it, but the five yards and the small circle makes a big difference.

[Bill Murphy]

Thomas Carter was the sole agent for Parker Brothers in Salt Lake City during that time period. Kevin McCormack owned a B Grade that was shipped to Carter, Evans, and Company of Salt Lake City in late 1879. Read his article in DGJ Volume 13, issue 2, page 43. Notice the Thomas Carter broadside on page 45. Check with the PGCA historian to see if he could have misread Theo's name.

[10 bore]

ok, i did a test with my 10 ga EH 30 in 2 frame choked .021 in both barrels. i loaded 8's with a 1 3/8 th oz mec bar but it droped only 1 5/16 oz the shot count came to 553 to the load. i than shot it at a 30 inch patten board at 40 yds and i got 383 in the 30. this is .696% . ok this is not 45 yds and i did count the 24 in circle. (289) i do know nothing would have got out of the pattern with out a hole in it if it were bigger than a mouse scott

[TARNATION !!!]

Originally Posted by scott kittredge

i do know nothing would have got out of the pattern with out a hole in it if it were bigger than a mouse scott

Never shot #8 but lots of 7 1/2. After decades of research, I have found that there must be pheasants smaller than a mouse, so I'm glad those ones passed through the shot string. They wouldn't have been worth eating anyway.

Cheers,
Jack

[10ga Hammer]

Bill, I just took a look at page 45 and think you are correct. Tho's could easily be mistaken for Theo when searching old handwritten manuscript.
Another thing to add to my research list.

[todd allen]

Could this have been a pigeon gun?

[Austin W Hogan]

Simmons was well known for the quality of its work, and many championships, both skeet and trap were won with guns with Simmons ribs.
Collectors are a fickle lot and one should never equate collector interest with collector value. Collector interest can vanish very quickly as asking price increases.
There does not seem to be current collector interest in Parkers with ribs installed after delivery to the initial customer, by Simmons or other reputable firms. There is good collector interest in 34 inch barreled guns. Examining the production records indicates very few 34 inch barrels were sold with ventilated ribs.
Does or will the 34 inch barrel length trump the after market rib installer? We will only know when we count the number of bidders ( or buyers ) standing when one is offered.

Best, Austin

[Bill Murphy]

Is this an original Parker 34" gun? Does it agree with the Serialization Book entry for that gun? Simmons installed two different types of vent ribs on side by side shotguns. One type involved removing the original rib. Another type was installed on the top of the original rib. If the second type was used, it is remotely possible that the gun can be restored to original. Of course, if the gun is a good shooter, not in pristine condition, it is probably better to leave it as is. What could be neater than a vent rib 34" Parker? I would love to own such a gun. Try to get some pictures posted so we can give you more information. Yes, Simmons is still alive and well and has a website where they describe their services. The Simmons you are looking for is in Olathe. The website is "simmonsguns.com"