GH: trouble opening after firing, your help is requested

[Matthew Winter]

Thank you guys! I will try the federal loads.
I use snap caps all the time and have not been able to reproduce the issue until after firing both with live rounds. So, because it has not hung up after the right barrel has gone off, it could still be a left side issue with the internals.
What makes me suspect that it may be internals is that after I butt the butt lightly on a rubber pad or bang the receiver with the palm of my hand to try to loosen a possible stuck hammer, it would be seemingly locked tight. But when it was ready to open, it would just release nice and easy. Not as if something was hanging up like the rim of a shell.
Any more thoughts?
Thanks

[Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile)]

Matthew,
This is a problem that we run into quite frequently with vintage barrels. Steel based shells expand very differently than the old brass based shells. The thin steel flattens and expands to conform with the chamber. In addition many early chambers tend to be slightly undersized and short rimmed. Our fix for the problem is to fully recut the chambers and rims, polish to a mirror finish and the problem is cured, It works every time.

Brad

[edgarspencer]

What you're saying, Brad, is exactly what I first suspected, but the shell fired from the offending side drops right back into the chamber fully, and even seems loose, or at least the same sort of clearance as the non-offending side.
The indentation in the primer is visibly deeper than the non-offending side, and there is evidence of the firing pin dragging on the lower edge of the indentation.
A while later, I was using one of my non-ejector guns and experienced the same thing, so, to try and eliminate one or the other (Chamber vs firing pin) I took the extractor out, fired that barrel, had approximately the same resistance to opening, then poked the empty hull out with a dowel, with no resistance.
What bugs me is that when measuring the firing pin protrusion on the offending side, it seems no different than the side that gives me no issues. It just seems that that firing pin goes further into the primer than the other side. They are obviously in a rebounded position at that point, but for whatever reason, the travel seems greater on firing on the bad side. Can the body of the hammer actually contact the pocket in the frame if it were dry fired excessively? Worded differently, what stops the forward motion of the hammer when there's no shell for the pin to contact?

[Pa SxS]

I'd probably have someone take it apart and give it a good cleaning internally if you haven't already done so. Just to be sure it's not a crud issue.

Steel bases are not only a problem with vintage guns. In my case, my one 12ga DH would have problems with even new brass based shells. It seemed more to do with the rim profile of the shell plus a tight chamber and shallow rim cuts on my barrels. Some manufacturers have a 90 degree cut and others have a slightly rounded rim to the body wall of the base. I'd notice that on some shells it was difficult to close the action. Upon firing, I could just get the barrels to slightly release from the breach face. Taking a wooden ram rod and going in from the muzzle and pushing on the spent shell would let the gun open fully. I had the rims cut slightly deeper plus I did a little filing on the extractor. It was real tight going into it's cutout.

[Matthew Winter]

Thanks Brad. I will send you a PM.
I like the cutting and polishing idea. Can I improve or damage anything with a brake hone?
Would a little grease around the lip help, at least to diagnose this issue?
In the mean time, I have 4 cases of federal shells on the way to give them a try. I burn up a lot of ammo shooting 5 stand at the Escondido Fish and Game so 4 cases goes fast.
Last week I brought this gun out of retirement and shot my best score ever after months of shooting holes in the sky with my auto-loader. In other words, I want to take care of this gun! I learned to shoot with this gun and it has been in the family since new. It handles so much better than my Major Brand auto-loader. There are no comparisons.

Matthew Winter
Escondido, Ca.
San Diego County
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