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the old 10 ga shells i was shooting were the green high brass remington express loads...this is the first of this brand of remys s that have not done there job..i would guess these 10 shells were pre war shells..only one spapped but the rest barely got the shot out to the squirls... yep we truly had a good hunt. brad went back this morning and got his limit of 8 squirls... guess ill go in the morning... charlie