Hemingway's Guns- great read indeed

[Karen Pfeiffer]

Originally Posted by Grantham Forester

I hope no body objects to me "re-starting" a previous fine thread about Ernest Hemingway.

Grantham, I found this forum because I saw your knowledgeable posts about Hemmingway. I have been doing some research on him as well as Pauline Pfeiffer, who was my great aunt. Virginia Pfeiffer was my grandmother.

Since you seemed to know some fairly random facts about my family I am very interested in learning more from you. For instance, do you know anything about a possible acquaintance/friendship between Ernest, Pauline or Ginny and Alexander Calder, the sculptor? I have been doing research on Calder as well and have come across some possible ties, but nothing concrete. That possible connection gave me some excitement. :-)

I know joining a gun forum is a very strange way to initiate such a conversation, but you peaked my interest with you clearly educated interest in Ernest.

You can continue a conversation with me via email directly, if that is allowed? dragonpriestess32@yahoo.com.

I look forward to possibly learning more about my family through you.

Thanks!

[High Brass]

I was able to see and handle Hemingway's Beretta at the Vintage Cup in Millbrook. I was thrilled. Of course I also have a Mannlicher 6.5 carbine for deer hunting. And an old wooden boat...

I can recommend "With Hemingway-A year in Key West and Cuba" by Arnold Samuelson for a glimpse into the life of Hemingway and Pauline. He was there.

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by George Stanton

I was able to see and handle Hemingway's Beretta at the Vintage Cup in Millbrook. I was thrilled. Of course I also have a Mannlicher 6.5 carbine for deer hunting. And an old wooden boat...

I can recommend "With Hemingway-A year in Key West and Cuba" by Arnold Samuelson for a glimpse into the life of Hemingway and Pauline. He was there.

In his final years Hem said that he should have stayed married to Hadley, who was 9 years his senior. He said she was his most true and loving and dedicated to his welfare, of his wives. Valerie Hemingway, said that Ernie would not allow Martha Gillhorn's name mention in his presence. I guess she broke his heart. She was also a better war correspondent than he was. She became bitter in her later life, because all she was remember for was being one of Ernie's many wives, which urked her.

[Stepmac]

Concerning Hemingway and Calder. In the past year I have read three Hemingway related books. One is the novel of he and Hadley in Paris, another is the bio written by Valery Hemingway, Gregory's widow. She was Ernest's final literary secretary and was with him for, as I recall, his final three years. She married Gigi, Hem's strange, troubled son who became an MD and then turned himself into a female. The other is a newly edited "A Moveable Feast". Mary edited the one most of us read years ago. This new one IMHO is much better.

In one of those books a story is related about Hemingway knowing Calder during the Paris days with Hadley. As the story goes he purchased a painting from Calder and he kept it for the rest of his life. It might be in the Finca Vegia (probably misspelled).

In short, Ernest did know Calder when both were young men in Paris.

This is as close as I have been able to come to owning a Mannlicher Schoenauer like Hem's. He did buy one of these for Mary, I believe. Pauline's were 1903 models. This is a 1952 carbine in 30-06. A good woods gun for elk.

[Double Lab]

A bit off the topic but a good friend of mine has a Browning double/single trigger O/U. Use it as a double trigger or pull the same trigger twice to fire the second barrel. I would imagine that if a trigger problem happened it would be a nightmare to repair.

[Autumn Daze]

Daryl, It was a nightmare just reading that.....

[Karen Pfeiffer]

Originally Posted by Steve McCarty

Concerning Hemingway and Calder. In the past year I have read three Hemingway related books. One is the novel of he and Hadley in Paris, another is the bio written by Valery Hemingway, Gregory's widow. She was Ernest's final literary secretary and was with him for, as I recall, his final three years. She married Gigi, Hem's strange, troubled son who became an MD and then turned himself into a female. The other is a newly edited "A Moveable Feast". Mary edited the one most of us read years ago. This new one IMHO is much better.

In one of those books a story is related about Hemingway knowing Calder during the Paris days with Hadley. As the story goes he purchased a painting from Calder and he kept it for the rest of his life. It might be in the Finca Vegia (probably misspelled).

In short, Ernest did know Calder when both were young men in Paris.

This is as close as I have been able to come to owning a Mannlicher Schoenauer like Hem's. He did buy one of these for Mary, I believe. Pauline's were 1903 models. This is a 1952 carbine in 30-06. A good woods gun for elk.

Thank you, Steve! This has been quite helpful. I will look into those books. :-)

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by Karen Pfeiffer

Thank you, Steve! This has been quite helpful. I will look into those books. :-)

In the past year or so several new Hemingway related books have been published. I found Valerie Hemingway's fascinating. I bought it as an E-book, so I cannot reference it. I think the title is: With the Hemingway Men....something like that.

The new edition of A Moveable Feast was much better than the one edited by Mary in the 60's. They seem like two totally different books. I think Hem looked back on his Paris years with Hadley and "Bumbi" as some of his happiest. They didn't have a dime and lived in a one room flat over (next to?) a saw mill!

I have an old edition of Death in the Afternoon which I love for its title if nothing else. I've just started it for the third or fourth time. Can't get thru it.

The new novel of Hadley and Hem in Paris is written in Hadley's voice. Interesting. She lived for quite a while after she and Ernie split. I think she remarried.

In Valery's book she writes about the Calder painting. I think I have seen a picture of it. Do you know where it is today?

I enjoy comparing Hemingway with Ruark. They almost met in one of Hem's favorite Cuban bars. Ruark wrote about walking in there and seeing Ernie working away at editing on a rear table. He didn't have the nerve to bother him. I wonder if the two men would have gotten along? Somehow I doubt it.

Read Hotchner and Baker's bios of the man. If I could go back to anyplace in time, it may have been on board the Pilar searching for U-Boats.

[PML]

Here is a link to some period footage of Hemingway and pals hunting in Idaho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDs3lg5ZoCs


Patrick

[Bill Murphy]

Parkers and Model 32 Remingtons, but what else? Did anyone notice that last pair of skeet doubles?