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george you just dont know what a thrill i get out of seeing these old big bore shells...... thanks for posting O H i only have 2 4 bore shell in my collection one is like the eley 4 bore posted here it is a 3 ounce load the other hull is a n p e.. gevrlet...french made...been looking at a umc brass loaded 4 ga but the owner is very proud of it...bring on those big bore pictures.... charlie
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