One of my worst nightmares come true

[Chris]

I had an experience with UPS, dealer sent me a shot gun COD terms certified check or cash when I had my FFL. Paid the driver, got the gun all well. 3 weeks later I get a call from the distributer stating I owe them $1100 for the gun, I explained that I paid the driver, he released the gun, go after UPS. 2 months later UPS called stating I owed them $1100 for the COD. I told them to pound sand I paid the driver, and he gave me the gun, he wouldn't have given me the gun unless I paid him. I did get a letter from UPS about 6 months later with an apology stating the driver had stolen the money.

[Craig Parker]

John, http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-6.pdf shows form for carrier to report lost or stolen firearms, but I'm not up on FFl rules but thought I forward. I think it will show up with you following up as you are. I hope it does work out for the best for you.
Craig

[John Truitt]

Mr. Parker,

Thank you very much.

[Steve Hodges]

Originally Posted by John Truitt

ATF just told me to go pound sand as well. To report it to local police. ATF does not take reports from citizens only FFL holders.
WTF

Ok, why didn't your local ATF know about this reporting form IT'S THEIR FORM!! Thats what I love about the federal government......the right hand does not know what the, in this case, OTHER righ hand is doing

[J. A. EARLY]

John,

I believe it will show up. I had one shipped to me from almost one side of the country to the other, and their tracking system showed nothing, just that it left, and just that it arrived. Nothing in between. Could not tell anything else. I had bet it was on a wagon train going over the great divide.

Fifteen days.

[Ruff Hunter]

If the local city cops won't put their donuts down long enough to take your report and enter the serial number into the computer system as a stolen gun, try the state police. They might prove more professional and responsive.

[Fishtail]

I don't understand all the love for the UPS - they lose and damage things on an epic proportion.

I have a good friend who has been a driver for 20+ years. If he has something important to ship, he won't use UPS. Further, he once showed me an internal policy statement regarding claims - the number one action on behalf of UPS is to deny the claim. I'll clarify that - regardless of any facts or evidence - deny the claim. Their studies have shown that a given percentage of claimants will go away if they do that. So when some little old lady gets told to beat it by the UPS, she does so - even if there is no doubt in anyone's mind she deserved compensation.

[Ruff Hunter]

I had a claim denial problem with UPS once on a pristine LC Smith I bought. They tried to invoke some "small print" coverage exclusion provision because the large volume gun shop printed the shipping label on site rather than at the UPS shipping facility, even though the contents were verbally disclosed as a shotgun by the shipper. I laughed and told them we'll see what the judge thinks of that excuse. When I asked corporate counsel for UPS if she'd accept service of process of the complaint I'd drafted, the check for the damage was suddenly in the mail.

Two lessons came from that experience---1) Be sure to request that the UPS attendant enter into the computer that its a "Parker DHE shotgun" (or whatever) being insured, so it will print out as such on your shipping and insurance receipt. If they tell you it won't print out, have the attendant write it on the receipt and initial beside it, so UPS can't later claim that they didn't know it was a gun and invoke some phony coverage exclusion. And 2), Know the law in your jurisdiction. Most states recognize the separate tort of bad faith insurance denial, which means that if they deny the insured's claim without a good faith reason, they can end up owing you several times the value of the damaged/lost gun for jerking you around with their dishonest coverage denial. A simple demand for payment and promise to pursue a bad faith claim denial as a separate cause of action will often get that insurance check in the mail.

But if you forget or decide not to buy insurance, you're probably SOL beyond the basic automatic $100 coverage as far as a lawsuit goes.

[John Truitt]

The following agencies have told me to go shove it. That it is the post offices issue:
ATF (local and federal)
FBI (local)
State police
Local police

I have contacted the post master my self. He assures me "they will leave no stone unturned".
I have also contacted a local US attorney who can only help by lighting a fire with the post office inspectors. Who by the way is different from the Inspector generals office. Two totally different agencies.
Per the sorting facility superviser there are 160 cameras. I am not sure how many at the local acceptance facility.
Time will tell. But I feel I am SOL.

[David]

I would give it some more time you may get something started if you report it stolen and it shows up and ATF not take it out of the system just my thoughts