Who is the Winchester engraver?? Help

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Hey Charlie- I

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

bill thanks for the info...ive looked at a couple 20 ga model 12 s lately this info will help me out.... charlie

I have about 200 AA 12 and Rem RST empties for you- I wanted another 20 with the earlier "perch belly- stock, and the price on the 1916 Model 1912 was very right- the 1931 M12 20 (marked 2 & 3/4" on mag extension area) that my late father bought new then, and gave to me on my 11th birthday (1952) also has that style- post 1934-35 went to the later style grip and fluted tang area. I like the smaller in dia semi-pistol grip of the earlier (1912-1934) Model 1912's and Model 12's--

Never owned a 16 gauge M12- did have a 16 gauge M1897 made in about 1948- 28" mod- fine pheasant gun, today- where I live and hunt/shoot- 16's are as scarce as honest politicans in D.C.--so I stay mainly with the 12's--

How durable is a Model 12 pumpgun- out this morning with a friend in farmer's corn for ducks and geese- dawn came like a piece of writing from Nash Buckingham-- a few mallards and woodies started moving- we didn't bother with dekes- just hid in the strip of standing corn-- dropped a few ducks first- geese are later risers, and there was scant frost on the fields this AM-- my pal is an avid reloader for steel- he had some heavy steel No. 2 in 3" cases he had reloaded-- so when we heard the geese moving, we switched to his heavier loads- I had my M12 Duck- 30" full (removed some of the lead from the butt cavity and use a slip-over butt pad until the late Winter season opens-- he has a multi-buck Browning Gold autoloader that will handle 2 & 3/4" and or 3" interchangeably -- His shells were a bit swollen, but they worked fine in my M12- two dead honkers on the deck (daily limit here)--3 shells- 20 yard incoming over the corn tops- my favorite goose hunting scenario-- we had to remove the barrel to free the jammed fired hull stuck in his Browning (always carry a Leatherman tool afield)--I gave him some of my heavy 2 &3/4" Black cloud loads, and they worked fine in his autoloader-and he also took two geese-- point is- any good pump (or great pumpgun, as is the M12) will function with just about any kind of shell- they came out in the paper shell era-and they point like Darth Vader with his lazer-sword- death and doom- for certain (if you do your part)