Who is the Winchester engraver?? Help

[Jared V.]

Mark,
Thanks for the suggestion. There is limited information available from Cody on the gun that I have. No mention of the engraver but I don't think there were too many early pigeon grades produced.
JJV

[Steve Hodges]

I believe for a fee Pauline will write a letter for you.

[Jared V.]

The letter from Pauline is in the works.

[Bill Murphy]

Francis, no need to criticize posters who do not know. Internet readers know how to separate the wheat from the chaff, just from reading an entire thread rather than the single post of a self proclaimed "authority". I'm sure Mr. D. will refrain from appraisals of valuable Winchesters in the future. By the way, this will be my last reply to you until further notice. I must have been struck by lightning. By the way, this was your best and most pertinent post on any gun site in months.

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Francis, no need to criticize posters who do not know. Internet readers know how to separate the wheat from the chaff, just from reading an entire thread rather than the single post of a self proclaimed "authority". This will be my last reply to you until further notice.

promises, promises, promises. I haven't been a Winchester guy since third grade, got my first Winchester at age 11- 20 gauge M12. I also have Dave Riffle's book, the Madis book, the Stadt book and tons of other now op WRA: catalogues, reference books, salesman's handbooks, etc-

Granted, this is a Parker forum, and not the Winchester Model 1912 and Model 12 Collectors Assn. Forum-BUT- a member who has a very fine Model 1912 Black Diamond Pigeon Grade posts a legitimate question that can be answered by some research- why should anyone demean his "Perfect Repeater", vis a vis the "Yaka-saki' inference. I won a Japanese Browning Model 12 "repro" 20 gauge- 28" mod. fioxed choke, ventilated rib at a DU Sponsor event, many years ago- I sold it back to Jay Poet in Clare, the supplier to the DU Event Cmte- I never even took it out of the box- It was a Model 12 like a Trojan grade is an AAHE--only by commonality of nomenclature- And none of the tools in my Kennedy and Gerstner tool chests were made in the land of the "Rising Sun' either-

I may not know Model 1912's and Model 12's as well as all other gentlemen on the PGCA, but I will bet you a "steel trap" from brother Dean Romig that I know them better that the majority of them. This M1912 is the "real deal" and to insult it with a 'after market Japanese re-do' is an Infamita!!

[Bill Murphy]

I did proclaim your post to be a good one. Oh my God, I have been struck by lightning again, twice in two days. Did I tell that fellow that I would buy his gun, at his price?

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

I did proclaim your post to be a good one. Oh my God, I have been struck by lightning again, twice in two days. Did I tell that fellow that I would buy his gun, at his price?

Now it's time to "Man Up" and get out the old checkbook. But not to worry, I advised the gentleman here who is lucky to own this "Steinway" of shotguns NOT to sell it. So you are "Off de hook", as it were.

I now own 8 model 1912's-model 12's combined. I found a 1916 era M1912 20 gauge- 25" Mod. (Full was std) solid rib field gun in very good shape- of course, it has the 2.5" chambering, so RST shells will be the 'shell de jour" for it-came with the older canvas break-down case, cleaning rod (3 pc. wood with brass ferrules-) and should be great "second Grandson starter gun- as Jordy gets the other M12- the 20 made in 1931- 38" mod--the one my father and grandfather gave me on my 11th B'day-- got to continue the legacy of the "Perfect repeaters"--

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Jared Valeski

The letter from Pauline is in the works.

I'd like to get in touch with her--thanks

[Jared V.]

Bill, price is a secondary consideration on an early factory engraved Model 1912 as good as mine.

[Bruce Day]

I have my grandfather's old Win Mod 1912 but in college I let a Japanese classmate shoot it. Its not for sale either.