Recoil pad question

[Stan Hoover]

Ed,

I like these layered pads and would let it on if it is in decent condition. I know a new pad would be softer, but then again putting Magnum loads through these aging treasures is maybe not advisable.

I purchased a Fox with this style pad and it is as hard as a rock, but I really don’t know that I can remove it unless I find an original.

[Researcher]

I just realized the face of the recoil pad on the OPs gun is the face of a JOSTAM Anti-Flinch, not the face that is normally on the Sponge Rubber pad.

JOSTAM Sponge Rubber single layer.png

[Bill Murphy]

Learn something new every day.

[J. A. EARLY]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

I just realized the face of the recoil pad on the OPs gun is the face of a JOSTAM Anti-Flinch, not the face that is normally on the Sponge Rubber pad.

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As I wrote previously in this thread, there is no reason for two screw holes in a nail and glue on pad. I am still betting there are two screws down those holes.

[Will Gurton]

As mentioned in multiple post the base Red Rubber plate is braded to the stock with multiple brads along the perimeter of the base plate.

So as to return this gun to as close to the factory treatment as possible I removed the outer portion of the pad which is nothing more than rubber cemented to the base plate and it came off surprisingly clean.

The trick is finding a competent smith to take the Sponge section of a NOS pad and grinding it to match.

Luckily I have such a craftsmen that I have kept busy for many years.

This is what can be done.

Good Luck, Will

[Boltaction]

Originally Posted by Jerry Harlow

As I wrote previously in this thread, there is no reason for two screw holes in a nail and glue on pad. I am still betting there are two screws down those holes.

I poked a thin blade screwdriver down into one of those holes, releasing a cloud of rotten rubber dust, and indeed there were two screws. Then entire pad did come off, and is super hard in places. I will see if someone has an NOS they would be willing to part with, because looking at that pad I am not sure it would stand up to more than a couple rounds of trap and that would be a shame. The gun itself is just BEGGING to be shot.

I am a little puzzled by the recoil pad since as Researcher noted in a previous reply, the lettering has the Jostam in a triangle and says "NO FLINCH", but the no flinch pads I see on the various internet sites were more of a solid rubber, like the Hy Gun, while the sponge rubber ones seem to have been called the "no kick coming". But, given the relative inexpensiveness of these pads and the fact they were made 100 years ago, I suppose they had different branding over the years. It would be nice to find a sponge one in good shape, but the odd thing about those (as previous replies have stated) is that they came in a box with little tacks like shoe nails and were nailed on and then the next layers glued on. There is no evidence at all this butt has had any nails in it, so maybe someone just drilled holes in a sponge pad and used screws......certainly the screw holes do not seem to be in the position I would usually expect pad screws to be placed.

Ed

[ahfoxman]

Originally Posted by Ed Hardy

I have modified my gun safes to hold more guns, but also have laid down soft foam and then carpet on the bottom so the base has more "give". I think it is likely a combination of oil and storage maybe butt down on hard surfaces plus just age that does these old pads in. Storing barrel down makes sense though!

Ed

Originally Posted by Stan Hoover

Ed,

I like these layered pads and would let it on if it is in decent condition. I know a new pad would be softer, but then again putting Magnum loads through these aging treasures is maybe not advisable.

I purchased a Fox with this style pad and it is as hard as a rock, but I really don’t know that I can remove it unless I find an original.

Good Morning Stan,

I have a box or two of original soft sponges that were supplied to glue on. I should be out your way for my invite to hunt put and take pheasants at Central Penn in a few weeks. It will be a Saturday, and I will keep you posted when I find out which one. I use the long field towards the West with my track wheelchair. Keep in touch and Happy New Year, Tom

[Stan Hoover]

Originally Posted by Tom Kidd

Good Morning Stan,

I have a box or two of original soft sponges that were supplied to glue on. I should be out your way for my invite to hunt put and take pheasants at Central Penn in a few weeks. It will be a Saturday, and I will keep you posted when I find out which one. I use the long field towards the West with my track wheelchair. Keep in touch and Happy New Year, Tom

Thanks Tom,

I really appreciate your kind gesture, I would love to meet you guys.

Look forward to hearing from you!!

Stan Hoover

[Researcher]

The later JOSTAM Sponge Rubber Pads show the original S.A. Huntley patent date of Apr. 10, 1917, Patent No. 1,222,291 --

Patent No. 1,222,291 Apr. 10, 1917.jpg

actually granted after the Sponge Rubber pad was offered in the 1916 dated JOSTAM flyer I posted above which mentions a leather face.

JOSTAM 1916 02 Sponge-Rubber.jpg

The May 12, 1931, patent date shown on the late JOSTAM Sponge Rubber Pads, Patent No. 1,805,273, shows a base screwed onto the gun stock and other improvements to adjust the pad's resilience. Were any of those "improvements" actually included in the later pads?

Patent No. 1,805,273 sheet 1, May 12,1931.jpg

Patent No. 1,805,273 sheet 2, May 12, 1931.jpg

[Will Gurton]

Dave,

The original pad I removed from the 1923 gun only had the 1917 Pat date.

I could not find a like replacement and moved forward with the project with the 1931 Pat info also.

There were no adaptations like those depicted in the Patent information for screws, screw holes, or hollowed out plug sections.

Only an original Red Rubber base sheet, a kraft gum sealed packet of brads, and the Rubber and Sponge Assembly that is shown.

Will