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Unread 08-04-2025, 08:13 PM   #1
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In my humble opinion if you have the disposable income for this hobby a ban on lead shot would just fuel the fire by allowing you to afford higher grades for less money. Considering I collect for the nostalgia and solely hunting and not to diversify my investment portfolio, 5-10 boxes of bismuth or similar a year won’t dissuade me.

It probably will effectively negate anyone new from entering the game, unless they grow up into it, but I don’t think it’s going to cause a mass exit of the hobby.

Of course, if you’re shooting a round of 100 every weekend your opinion will be different.

In any event, it’s speculation at this point, and out of my control. What is in my control is enjoying these guns and choosing to accept the risk that may or may not come, considering there is an existing solution.
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In my humble opinion if you have the disposable income for this hobby a ban on lead shot would just fuel the fire by allowing you to afford higher grades for less money. Considering I collect for the nostalgia and solely hunting and not to diversify my investment portfolio, 5-10 boxes of bismuth or similar a year won’t dissuade me.

It probably will effectively negate anyone new from entering the game, unless they grow up into it, but I don’t think it’s going to cause a mass exit of the hobby.

Of course, if you’re shooting a round of 100 every weekend your opinion will be different.

In any event, it’s speculation at this point, and out of my control. What is in my control is enjoying these guns and choosing to accept the risk that may or may not come, considering there is an existing solution.
Over the course of a year I shoot thousands of lead shells at clay pigeons and crows. Bismuth is not an affordable alternative/existing solution and steel remains the most economical non tox shot which is not friendly to vintage guns.

Seriously who is going to pay $50 or more for the shells to shoot a 25 target round of trap, skeet or five stand? Because two dollars a shell is about the cost of reloading bismuth at today's prices.
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I'll say it again. Have waterfowl populations done better or worse since they mandated non toxic waterfowl loads?
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I'll say it again. Have waterfowl populations done better or worse since they mandated non toxic waterfowl loads?
That argument won't change the trajectory of saving the planet.
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Over the course of a year I shoot thousands of lead shells at clay pigeons and crows. Bismuth is not an affordable alternative/existing solution and steel remains the most economical non tox shot which is not friendly to vintage guns.

Seriously who is going to pay $50 or more for the shells to shoot a 25 target round of trap, skeet or five stand? Because two dollars a shell is about the cost of reloading bismuth at today's prices.
You may have overlooked my statement regarding what you do with the guns and how you get enjoyment from them. I can swallow the 2 dollar a shot pill for my purposes, and if no one else can for theirs, well I guess that just works out for me then.
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Like Pete I shoot on average a flat a week. I'll have take to up pickleball.
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You may have overlooked my statement regarding what you do with the guns and how you get enjoyment from them. I can swallow the 2 dollar a shot pill for my purposes, and if no one else can for theirs, well I guess that just works out for me then.
I think you mentioned shooting 100 rounds on a weekend somewhere Dylan? Your $2 a pill is a lot when some of us shoot 200-500 A WEEK. There are a lot of those guys out there who shoot many thousands a year. Bismuth is simply NOT an option for these guns at that volume. Hunting is low volume but if this is for all shooting then either our guns go bye bye or I suspect there will be a LOT of outlaws walking around simply giving the finger. I know one person who simply will not comply.
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