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Unread 05-08-2025, 11:22 AM   #1
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I was at the Syracuse gun show many years ago hawking the door. A very nice AHFox HE walked in and I was the first to have it in hand. A gentleman was standing next to me and never said a word. I was able to purchase the gun for a very good price all while this gentleman listened.
After the sale was completed he asked if I would like to double my money, it was Hershel.
He could have stepped on my deal but did not, I always thought of him as a gentleman after that.
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Not quite a Parker Bros. --

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His ad and our phone conversation never mentioned that it is a "no safety" gun --

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His ad and our phone conversation never mentioned that it is a "no safety" gun --

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Is that your P.A.C. gun Dave?
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Is that your P.A.C. gun Dave?
Yes, C-Grade, 32-inch. Herchel's ad also stated it was "the highest grade known." We now know of a D-Grade and two E-Grades.
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Yes, C-Grade, 32-inch. Herchel's ad also stated it was "the highest grade known." We now know of a D-Grade and two E-Grades.
Don't forget my B-grade.

I still have two smallbores I bought from Herschel in the 70's.
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Don't forget my B-grade.
To date I've recorded 102 Philadelphia Arms Co. guns from serial number 16 to 1846, with seven being B-Grades, six C-Grades, one D-Grade and two E-Grades both for directors of the company - P.F. du Pont & C. William Haywood. The rest A-Grades. Then just to confuse things a single gun in B-Grade livery has surfaced with ejectors and serial number in the 26xx range.
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To date I've recorded 102 Philadelphia Arms Co. guns from serial number 16 to 1846, with seven being B-Grades, six C-Grades, one D-Grade and two E-Grades both for directors of the company - P.F. du Pont & C. William Haywood. The rest A-Grades. Then just to confuse things a single gun in B-Grade livery has surfaced with ejectors and serial number in the 26xx range.
Dave, keep collecting that data, but consider putting it in a book. You amaze me. Thanks for your dedication.
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His ad and our phone conversation never mentioned that it is a "no safety" gun --

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Wow! What grade is that fox pin gun? That thing is amazing! I would love to see and hear more about it
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Wow! What grade is that fox pin gun? That thing is amazing! I would love to see and hear more about it
See The Double Gun Journal, Volume Thirteen, Issue 4, page 47, for my article on Philadelphia Arms Co. featuring my gun and the P.F. du Pont E-Grade.
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Kevin and I were privileged to view some of Herschel's records of A1 Specials that were represented as original but weren't. Too bad, because he had originals as well as those that weren't.
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