New Powders and Primers on the Horizon

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Garth Gustafson

So if RST can't get low pressure powder, how am I able to get it?

RSTShotshells are good people but I have wondered for a very long time what is holding them back to the extent of their shortage.

It's easier to get low pressures with larger bores and part of the trick to getting low pressure is lighter shot charges and lower velocities.

Perfect Pattern is a widely available powder so is Longshot and Win 572 along with Cheddite primers.

6600 psi at 1200 fps with 7/8 in 12ga using PP powder, Ched primer and Rem Gun Club hull.

7500 psi at 1150 fps with 7/8 in 20ga using Winchester 572, Ched primer and Federal hull. Use 3/4 ounce and pressure goes down and fps goes up.

[Craig Larter]

My son reloads for his 16ga Parker and Sterlingworth. Cheddite (RST) hulls 3/4 oz with longshot and cheddite primers. Claybuster makes a 3/4oz wad for 16ga. A used MEC 600jr and your in business.

[Aaron Beck]

Longshot is still easily sourced and works in a variety of gauges and loads. The other components are pretty available to mail order. You can find a used reloader for less than the cost of a case of ...

[matt koepnick]

Ya, the 28 cost savings was the main reason I got into shot shell reloading years ago. Of course an "expensive" case back the was close to 50 bucks.. Took a little while, but once I worked out the crimp bugs on the 28, I quickly jumped onto the MEC JR bandwagon and my 16, and 12 loads all fell into place relatively easy.
As I'm older these days, I'm especially glad to get to reload my low pressure 7/8 and
1 OZ 12's which are soft shooting in Liteweight 12 Bores.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by matt koepnick

Ya, the 28 cost savings was the main reason I got into shot shell reloading years ago. Of course an "expensive" case back the was close to 50 bucks.. Took a little while, but once I worked out the crimp bugs on the 28, I quickly jumped onto the MEC JR bandwagon and my 16, and 12 loads all fell into place relatively easy.

When I first started loading for shotguns back in the mid 80’s I think I could load a box of 410’s for $1.50 , 28’s a dollar more , 20’s about the same and 12’s for less than $3 . A big part of getting better component prices was BUY IN QUANTITY which is a practice I’ve pretty much followed my entire reloading career .

[Stan Hillis]

Oh, my bad. I didn't read your post closely enough.

It is a 3 pin roll crimper that was produced by a small company/person a few years ago, but is no longer available. It was marketed by the company "Reloader's Network", but a buddy just recently checked on one and said no longer available.

There are other brands that are available, however.

https://www.precisionreloading.com/c...#!l=MM&i=RC410

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/GA...nfo/GAEPC0241/

[Stan Hillis]

I'll look it up in the shop today and post it this evening, Jerry, if I can remember.

Winchester still markets these in various shot sizes, if you can find them. They're the next best thing to the custom load I use.

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...uper-X/X413H85

[Bill Murphy]

Thanks, Stan. I believe my 3" loads in Remington cases are an honest 3/4 ounce, at least the bushing is a 3/4 ounce bushing. When I get a chance, I will weigh the charge. I found the 600 Junior at my gun club with a "FREE" sign on it. I took it home, cleaned it up, weighed the powder charge, and started pulling the handle. I saw no reason the weigh the shot, but I assume it is 3/4 ounce. The finished shells are to die for, with a nice folded crimp.

[J. Scott Hanes]

Has anyone cut down one of those "3/4" oz loads from Winchester to see if that weight has been achieved? Perhaps the lower powder charge allows for the extra 1/16 oz.

[Stan Hillis]

Originally Posted by J. Scott Hanes

Has anyone cut down one of those "3/4" oz loads from Winchester to see if that weight has been achieved? Perhaps the lower powder charge allows for the extra 1/16 oz.

Can't remember if I ever weighed one or not, Scott. I do know that they are very good game bird loads. That "slow" 1100 fps velocity is misleading. They pattern good and hit like hammers. I love shot shell loads in the 1100 - 1165 fps. range in S X S guns. They seem to always regulate well if the payload is heavy enough. These anemic loads that so many S X S shooters have adopted do not regulate in many vintage guns, IME.