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I think this is probably the most interest in the 8 ga in over a 100 years...its a fun gun but because of it s size and weight it aint for everyone but its awesome....I think like craig and the others 25-30 will be enough...some of you guys take some pictures for the rest of us who can t make it to the shoot....I m anixios to get it on....I would love to try a bear or a gator with a parker 8 ga.....charlie