Ithaca SBT

[Double Lab]

Well you're well known Stan, so there.

[Stan Hoover]

You’ve got it all wrong Daryl, I try to hang out with people that are well known,

like ride to South Dakota with them, get the police called on us when the vehicle leaves us set

The serial # research by Cody

[Bill Murphy]

Stan, no ATA birds shot by your guy from 1928 to 1940. However, I located the original order for your gun. It was part of a John Boa order for the Grand American, that included 18 single trap guns as well as many NIDs. Beeson, from Tippecanoe City, Ohio, is the guy that received the guns near the site of the Grand, so Boa wouldn't have to transport them back and forth over the Canadian border. Boa was a Canadian and a volume Ithaca dealer. Many different people were mentioned in order #10575S, but Gegner was not one of them. Your gun was/is the last gun listed in the long list, my Sousa Knick was two guns before your 5E. Luckily, the final purchaser of my Sousa was included in the names mentioned in the Boa order. I hope all this is of interest to you.

[Bill Murphy]

Stan, apparently the ultimate purchaser of your 5E was Jim Kelley, who I could find no mention of in ATA records. He either liked it and kept it, but didn't shoot registered birds, or he sold it through his sporting goods store. Oddly, there were two Knick Sousa Grade guns in the Boa order, twenty percent of the total production. My Sousa is the last Knick and the highest serial number of identified Knick Sousas. In depression days, these pricey guns were sent back and forth between the factory and dealers, sometimes for years. It was the same way at Parker Brothers.

[Bill Murphy]

Stan, are you sure the inscription is Gegner, Zenia, Illinois and not Zenia, Ohio? Raymond Gegner in Zenia, Ohio is quite an interesting personality. I could find no Gegners in Illinois.

[Stan Hoover]

Bill,
It looks like Xenia, I believe that is Il for Illinois for the state?

I appreciate all your help, I’m curious how you found the order that went to John Boa if you don’t mind me asking?
Stan

[Bill Murphy]

Stan, that is O for Ohio, not IL for Illinois. The Ohio guy is an interesting personality on Google. Look him up. I'll answer your question when you get back to me. Good luck, buddy.