Defining a Parker Long Range shotgun

[Stan Hillis]

I can't answer your question, Henderson, but would like to address this statement:

Originally Posted by LtCol Henderson Marriott

The Super Fox guns were over-bored on 10-ga frames.

The Super Fox guns were overbored, strategically, and the chamber dimensions were altered. Much was done to produce the ultimate patterns with the, then new, 3" WW magnum loads. But, they were not built on a 10 ga. frame. There was never a 10 ga. Fox frame, action, or otherwise.

[LtCol Henderson Marriott]

Originally Posted by Stan Hillis

I can't answer your question, Henderson, but would like to address this statement:



The Super Fox guns were overbored, strategically, and the chamber dimensions were altered. Much was done to produce the ultimate patterns with the, then new, 3" WW magnum loads. But, they were not built on a 10 ga. frame. There was never a 10 ga. Fox frame, action, or otherwise.

While AH Fox never made a 10 ga frame, the appearance of a full sized Super
Fox with weight in many cases in excess of 9 pounds-led such writers of the 1920s as Askins and Buckingham to label the HE as approaching a 10 gauge frame size.

[edgarspencer]

Regardless who made the gun, it has been my experience that the longer the taper of the choke, the pattern remains tighter to a further distance.The Remington Wittemore choke began it's taper at nearly the midpoint of the barrel, with the tightest portion back from the muzzle about 1 1/2-2", and then straight. The belief was that the shot column was more stabilized over the longer constriction, and didn't begin to open until well downrange. I may be over simplifying what I have come to understand, for which I apologize.

[Cold Spring]

Originally Posted by henderson Marriott

While AH Fox never made a 10 ga frame, the appearance of a full sized Super
Fox with weight in many cases in excess of 9 pounds-led such writers of the 1920s as Askins and Buckingham to label the HE as approaching a 10 gauge frame size.

You often write glowingly and with tidbits of info on Super-Fox guns; perhaps you can provide the references by Askins and Buck to the frames and to that effect? What I've seen are period comments relating to the earliest barrel caliber, i.e., nominally .748/750", which approached 10-gauge bore sizing (actually about 11-gauge). Most Super-Fox frames were made from from 12-gauge frame forgings but machined with somewhat wider width across the breech balls and also at the back end of the frame where it abuts the head of the stock. I wrote "most" because some small number of Supers were "ordered light" and were made up on regular machined frames and running as light as ~ 8-1/4 pounds. For anyone interested and wanting to get into the lore of Supers, it would be well to refer to the index of Super-Fox articles in the DGJ that's on the paying members part of the Fox Collectors forum; plenty of good reading and tech info therein. frank

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

You often write glowingly and with tidbits of info on Super-Fox guns; perhaps you can provide the references by Askins and Buck to the frames and to that effect? What I've seen are period comments relating to the earliest barrel caliber, i.e., nominally .748/750", which approached 10-gauge bore sizing (actually about 11-gauge). Most Super-Fox frames were made from from 12-gauge frame forgings but machined with somewhat wider width across the breech balls and also at the back end of the frame where it abuts the head of the stock. I wrote "most" because some small number of Supers were "ordered light" and were made up on regular machined frames and running as light as ~ 8-1/4 pounds. For anyone interested and wanting to get into the lore of Supers, it would be well to refer to the index of Super-Fox articles in the DGJ that's on the paying members part of the Fox Collectors forum; plenty of good reading and tech info therein. frank

what Frank modestly leaves out is that he authored several of those articles
and knows very well what he is talking about.