New 8 gauge paper hulls

[charlie cleveland]

I don't know if these hull use rem. 57 primers or not I have some shells just like them that are loaded I will see what primers they use....charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Milton and Charlie, the old Winchester paper shells I used back in the '60s, which I still have, use a separate brass base layer to fit the cannons. The Remington 57 primer fits these. However, when you peel off the base layer, a 209 fits. The separate base is pressed right into the primer hole. How about that.

[ArtS]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Milton and Charlie, the old Winchester paper shells I used back in the '60s, which I still have, use a separate brass base layer to fit the cannons. The Remington 57 primer fits these. However, when you peel off the base layer, a 209 fits. The separate base is pressed right into the primer hole. How about that.

Due to the shotgun I just mentioned, I ordered and recieved 75 or so 8 gauge industrial hulls new and unprimed. Got them on GB for a little over $1 per hull. I already have 25 of the Parker Headstamped brass shells I got on sale.

The hulls on GB were Black Remington hulls. I had read a lot of posts about swaging these and all sorts of work to use them. I read this thread and took a couple to my shop. I chucked one up in my lathe 3 jaw chuck and took an easy cut off the outside of the rim. As soon as it separated, the head side and inner side separated and I pulled the two pieces off with my fingers. Easy as pie. There is apparently a small gap under the rim fold over, and the inner rim is not touched. Hiding underneath is a perfectly normal Black Remington 8 gauge hull. Just no headstamp. Apparently when they make them, they take a normal hull and swage crimp a thin brass cup over the complete head, then punch it through into the primer pocket. No mechanical attachment at all.
The primer is looser, but the new hulls would benefit from a primer pocket conditioner.I did 4 more to test, and they took about 30 seconds per hull.

I would like to try to put together some various test loads, but I only have the brass hulls and 7 gauge wads. I need to get some 8 guge wads for the plastic. I would like to get a few SP8 or Gualagies, but no one has any that I can find.

I suspect that you could roll the rim of the hulls against a beltsander and do a good job removing the outer shell, but the lathe is more precise and faster.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Arthur Shaffer

Due to the shotgun I just mentioned, I ordered and recieved 75 or so 8 gauge industrial hulls new and unprimed. Got them on GB for a little over $1 per hull. I already have 25 of the Parker Headstamped brass shells I got on sale.

The hulls on GB were Black Remington hulls. I had read a lot of posts about swaging these and all sorts of work to use them. I read this thread and took a couple to my shop. I chucked one up in my lathe 3 jaw chuck and took an easy cut off the outside of the rim. As soon as it separated, the head side and inner side separated and I pulled the two pieces off with my fingers. Easy as pie. There is apparently a small gap under the rim fold over, and the inner rim is not touched. Hiding underneath is a perfectly normal Black Remington 8 gauge hull. Just no headstamp. Apparently when they make them, they take a normal hull and swage crimp a thin brass cup over the complete head, then punch it through into the primer pocket. No mechanical attachment at all.
The primer is looser, but the new hulls would benefit from a primer pocket conditioner.I did 4 more to test, and they took about 30 seconds per hull.

I would like to try to put together some various test loads, but I only have the brass hulls and 7 gauge wads. I need to get some 8 guge wads for the plastic. I would like to get a few SP8 or Gualagies, but no one has any that I can find.

I suspect that you could roll the rim of the hulls against a beltsander and do a good job removing the outer shell, but the lathe is more precise and faster.

Ah so you bought those new black Remington hulls I think there was 78 of them on gunbroker for $1 a piece. Just be sure with the guqlandi wad which version you buy. I have a bag of sp8s but don't really use them can't really find a reason to. Resizing the industrial hulls is easy enough I suppose doing it on a lathe makes for a cleaner looking hull. Reloaders network has added some new 8 gauge tools like a hull conditioner primer pocket and a 6 pin roll crimper.

[ArtS]

Originally Posted by Milton C Starr

Ah so you bought those new black Remington hulls I think there was 78 of them on gunbroker for $1 a piece. Just be sure with the guqlandi wad which version you buy. I have a bag of sp8s but don't really use them can't really find a reason to. Resizing the industrial hulls is easy enough I suppose doing it on a lathe makes for a cleaner looking hull. Reloaders network has added some new 8 gauge tools like a hull conditioner primer pocket and a 6 pin roll crimper.

Actually, I measured the hulls and found there was not a lot difference between the hull bases and those of a brass shell to spec. There is quite a difference between the industrial rim diameter and the spec. Most old guns might accept this ok, but my luck would be a tight chamber. The rim is also thicker by two thicknesses of the overlay. I don't have a swage and would have to fabricate one or buy something, and I do have a lathe. The rim would still be a potential problem. As easy as it turned out to do, I can do probably three boxes in an hour and have perfectly stock shells.

If you can spare some or all of the SP10's, send me a PM. I am having cataract surgery this afternoon, so it may be a day or two until I respond.