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03-04-2022, 07:56 AM | #43 | ||||||
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JFI, the 12/32" VHE that's on the cover of the Winter PP has 2-7/8" chambers, weighs 8^9 and barrels have an unstruck weight of 4^9. No info available for that s/n except that its sequence shows made in 1924 with the advent of factory 12g/3-inch/1-3/8 ounce progressive shells. Interesting, this "Super 12" has the longest chokes I've ever measured to include Super-Fox guns = chokes full tapered and their leades starting a little more than 6" back from the muzzles.
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03-04-2022, 08:03 AM | #44 | ||||||
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2 7/8" chambers were not limited to the big guns by PB either, even the little 20's were chambered for the longer shell. This one came with a very informative letter.
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03-04-2022, 08:08 AM | #45 | ||||||
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Drew,
Ed Lander recently passed away recently in his late 90's. Formerly of Groton, NH, he moved to Lakeville, MA where he as a gunsmith for over 40 years. He retired in Alexandria, NH. Ed traveled on numerous occasions to visit most all the major gun manufacturing companies in England and Scotland as well as making annual pilgrimages with groups for grouse hunting and Red Stag. Ed Good, like myself, knew and used the services of Ed Lander for years. |
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03-04-2022, 08:24 PM | #46 | ||||||
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Mike, I'm curious how a gunsmith with 40 years experience, and visits to English and Scottish gun makers, could convince himself that torch coloring a doublegun frame/action was an accepted practice? Ed Good advertised many, many examples of these "frog eye" colored doubles and attributed them all to Ed Lander.
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03-05-2022, 02:22 AM | #47 | |||||||
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barreled Parker in favor of a Becker-bored Super Fox. Based on the patterns achieved on deceased geese and wild turkey at above 50 yards with coppered No. 4 shot or bore-safe enviro-metal shot, my HE Super Fox must also have been overbored, choked and polished by Bert Becker. That said , every shotgun is a law unto itself-as to shot patterns at known distances. |
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03-05-2022, 08:24 AM | #48 | |||||||
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It's a long stretch trying to transfer that aura to Supers used with modern shells loaded with different double-base powders, plastic shotcups and non-tox or even with lead shot. Looking at a shot riddled turkey, goose or duck carcass is no substitute for objective data from long range patterning with at least 3 shot % averages with each shell. For anyone interested there's a number of articles on Supers and Super Twelves in the DGJ, including one that extensively tests modern 3-inch shells for pattern efficiency and penetration in pine (at increasing distances) from a Super-Fox, Winchester 21 Duck and a Model 12 Heavy Duck. |
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03-05-2022, 08:32 AM | #49 | ||||||
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I have owned two 20 gauge Parkers made for 3" shells, still have one. My missing 20, #153,333, was ordered to shoot a heavier load than I have ever seen mentioned at the time on a Parker order, 3 dram, 1 ounce.
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03-05-2022, 11:22 AM | #50 | ||||||
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bill wish you cpold find that missing 20 ga of yours I m sure the chokes would have been full and fuller....years ago my dad put on a lot of turkey shoots..the target was a piece of paper and he supplied the shells the prize was a live turkey...hate to say it most times a 20 ga or a 16 ga took the turkey home...some of them guns really throwed tight patterns....charlie
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