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We went a couple of weeks back ,I carried a VH Grade 20 and got a pair of Pheasants that day also and my Buddy got one ! This week his shooter wasn't shooting straight and the second bird I got I was backing him and that was a limit for me and he missed the next two and the dog had enough , I think he had enough as well ! We had a Great Time ,here in Pa. this late season is something relatively new to us !