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Unread 12-05-2010, 12:03 PM   #1
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Contact our Fire Team leader on the PGCA site- John Dunkle.He is a wizard at sorting out the various gremlins and can get you squared away with a membership.

I do NOT buy any guns on the various websites that exist- but as they say about "Not costing anything to look", I went there and checked out this seller's feedback- 14 negatives are 14 too many for me. I also agree with my Brothers in Parker that several things raise a red flag, at least to me:

The 2 & 3/4" stamp on a 1910 VH12-back then I believe the standard chambering was 2& 5/8" for the paper shells of that era-if someone rechambered this gun and so stamped the barrel flats- they may also have opened the chokes. I would want an expert barrel gauging, in MI we have Jon Hosford in Ann Arbor- there are many other competent 'smiths that can also do this, and even though a 12 No. 2 frame VH is as common as a 16 ounce claw hammer, any and all alterations detract from thegoing market price.

IMO- and bear in mind that neither E.F.Hutton or Warren Buffett have ever listened to me--if this VH 12 is unaltered and not "torched colored" in the shown condition, I would say $1450- if it had ejectors (and they were in proper time) possibly $1750- BallPark!!

With a background in both machine shop and TIG welding- I would be very leery of any Parker that had its receiver "torched" to somehow enhance color"restoration"!!-Parkers, Smiths, Ithacas from that era and until they went out of production were "double fitted"- first parts fitting was soft fit- prior to case hardening- which provides a "file hard" surface with a somewhat softer core, just as a wood chisel should be- not brittle however.

The resultant colors on factory original Parkers (and others mentioned) were the result of proprietary mixes of packing media in the box, temperature, time, and avoidance of contact with free oxygen in the quench and cooling phase- a real "art and science"combined--

After this and slow cooling, the parts were then hard fitted" and the action assembled- fussy work, and all Parkers- from the basic Trojan to the A-1-Special were so assembled-

You have picked a great time to join- The $40 annual fee- the quarterly Parker Pages magazine is way worth that alone- and there is a classified section for sale or WTB of both Parkers, and other fine side-by-shotguns,as well as parts, calendars, cases- etc.

More recently,our BOD has agreed to allow annual and Life members of the PGCA to list Parkers offered for sale on our Forum- in compliance with the BATF rules if interstate shipment of the shotgun is required. In passing, one of the other websites that allowed that is having serious server problems and may not be back on line for some time.

If I were in the market for another Parker, being a member, my first move would be within the PGCA- and also patience. I agree that just because guns are offered for sale, overlooking our somewhat "dead in the water" economy at present, it does NOT preclude that the seller needs the funds to meet other obligations-

There is a lot of chicanery sometimes involved in gun dealing-and over inflated prices are out there. Personal recommendations, checks from others on a dealer's reputation, all available for the asking on our PGCA Forum-welcome indeed!!!
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Joining the PGCA is one of the best thing anyone interested in Parkers can do!
I have seen the prices of lower grade , 12 & 10 ga, guns fall significantly in the past 2 years. You can buy a decent DH or DHE 12 for 25-35% less than before and I can remember two that have sold on this site. The high condition high grade sub gauges a hard to find and just keep getting more expensive. I have purchased two very nice O grade 12 hammerguns for friends for under $1,800 and have seen 12 ga DH" for under $3,000. Just keep looking !
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