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here are a few 4 ga loads i took from tom armbrust book....4 ga all plastic hull allen myers....cci 209 primer....85 grains blue dot...2..080 nitro cards....3 3/8 alcan fibers....plastic shot collar 11/2x3 inch....3 1/2 ounce of2 lead.....050 over shot card....1153 fps....8800 lup.............4 ga jp s paper hull....win. 209......10 drams equal 273 gr ffg black goex....3 1/2 ounce lead no 2...050 over shot card...1253 fps...7680 lup.......charlie