WC Scott hammer guns ?

[Milton C Starr]

The 10 ga W.& C. Scott im looking at is a tall hammer gun .

[stumpstalker]

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Russell E. Cleary

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.

I found a picture of a low hammer W.&C. Scott not sure if its the same as the model from that ad but they are low and noticeably shorter than the regular tall hammers . I guess you could have low tall hammers if they cocked back further . From my understanding W. Scotts son or sons can't remember if he had more than one ? Anyhow one of the sons was a inventor not a gunmaker so he came up with patents for the family business like the top lever . Low hammers sounds like one of those patent ideas that never caught on . There were alot of patents back then it seems for sxs shotguns .

[Kensal Rise]

Originally Posted by Russell E. Cleary

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right .

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by John Campbell

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

Horseback hunting with a shotgun sounds like a odd concept to me .
Now with a rifle I could see situations where you may want or need to fire from horseback . If you are in say bear country or horsebacking and need to fire your rifle from the mount .

If a horses hearing is as good as their eyesight I doubt the extra barrel length matters at all to them .

Ive been noticing it seems like everyone whos selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are . However I have started to notice it seems like on shorter hammer guns the ears are at a angle on the hammer instead of just standing straight up .

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Milton C Starr

I've been noticing it seems like everyone who's selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are.

Parker hammer guns don't have a 'half cock' position in the locks. The majority of hammer guns we see pictures of are guns with rebounding locks. This feature keeps the hammers off of the plungers, or firing pins - but the hammers can be pushed forward pretty easily, overcoming the rebound spring tension.





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[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Parker hammer guns don't have a 'half cock' position in the locks. The majority of hammer guns we see pictures of are guns with rebounding locks. This feature keeps the hammers off of the plungers, or firing pins - but the hammers can be pushed forward pretty easily, overcoming the rebound spring tension.





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I meant as far as W.&C. Scotts goes , I have seen pictures where the hammers are resting on the plungers and you can really get a idea of just how tall those tall hammers are . Like that 10 ga Ospreyarms is selling the hammers are resting on the plungers .