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Unread 01-02-2019, 08:04 AM   #1
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I had a nice Ideal grade Long Range years ago. It seemed like an original un-altered gun. The odd thing was that the Right barrel had an improved choke. It was nicely polished with no signs of being reamed. The seller told me some Long Range guns were ordered that way, the first shot being for over decoys the second for passing or going away birds.
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I had a nice Ideal grade Long Range years ago. It seemed like an original un-altered gun. The odd thing was that the Right barrel had an improved choke. It was nicely polished with no signs of being reamed. The seller told me some Long Range guns were ordered that way, the first shot being for over decoys the second for passing or going away birds.
Any thoughts ? , Dave
My first D-grade was choked the same way. It had been ordered by the owner of a prominent sporting goods store in NYC and if I remember correctly lettered that way. I was told that gunners would shoot at incoming geese with the full barrel and by the time the incoming geese were able to stop back peddling and flare the IC was all that was needed. Seems there are a number of guns configured like this there must be something to the stories.
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I had a nice Ideal grade Long Range years ago. It seemed like an original un-altered gun. The odd thing was that the Right barrel had an improved choke. It was nicely polished with no signs of being reamed. The seller told me some Long Range guns were ordered that way, the first shot being for over decoys the second for passing or going away birds.
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both of my Elsie Long Ranges are very full and full,

but, most makers at that time would fill any reasonable order to get the sale

however, i would rather see a letter than listen to a seller
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I had a nice Ideal grade Long Range years ago. It seemed like an original un-altered gun. The odd thing was that the Right barrel had an improved choke. It was nicely polished with no signs of being reamed. The seller told me some Long Range guns were ordered that way, the first shot being for over decoys the second for passing or going away birds.
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Captains Askins and Crossman were out ducking back in the glory days and both recommended a Modified choke in one barrel of these specialty duck guns. On the other hand there were the dedicated duck men like Buck and Olin who went with tightest chokes in both barrels. Also I've read more than a few times now that shooting a period 2-3/4" shell in a 3-inch chambered barrel would reduce the efficiency (% at 40 yards) by about 10% and that's not counting the lesser pellet hits when using a lighter payload. Especially good to know when birds were working the decoys well.

Yep 79 or 80 yards is pushing the envelope quite a bit. It was generally acknowledged by experts that the Super-X 2-3/4" progressive load afforded an effective 5-10 yards increase over the heaviest bulk/dense smokeless powder loads, also that the extra length 3-inch/1-3/8 ounce progressive load would add to that.
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So the "more time to judge your lead" is the time that the duck/goose flew to the 80 yard range limit? Help me understand the "more time" claim. I certainly get more distance, and birds traveling from X to Y distance equals time, but...judging lead?
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