Western 12 gauge 3" "Record"

[charlie cleveland]

those shells are probably from the 30 s.....and worth probably a hundred dollar bill if the box and shells are in good shape..... charlie

[Researcher]

The first appearance of the Lubaloy Super-X loads that I have from Western is in the February 1, 1929, Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun. They are not in the March 1, 1928, edition. The 1 3/8 ounce
Lubaloy load was offered from then into the 1960s. The extreme high brass RECORD case was replaced by the Super-X case shortly after WW-II.

As you can imagine over this time period there were several styles of boxes. So far, I haven't been able to snag a picture of a 12-gauge 3-inch Lubaloy two-piece box from the 1929-1932 period. There are probably versions from 1929 and 1930 with the old corrosive primers and ones from 1931 and 1932 with the new Non-Corrosive Primer.

By 1933, Western had gone to the one-piece shotshell boxes and this style was in use --

Super-X 3-inch #4Ls.jpg

into 1939, when the blue and yellow boxes came into use. By 1948, the RECORD case had been replaced by the regular Super-X case and the Super-Seal Crimp and the Super Seal Cup Wads replaced the roll-crimp and the Seal-Tite wads --

Nash's load 1948 to 1960.JPG

[Double Lab]

With all due respect to the A5 Craig those shells were made for the M12HD. Send some to me, my HD will eat them like M&M's.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Daryl Corona

With all due respect to the A5 Craig those shells were made for the M12HD. Send some to me, my HD will eat them like M&M's.

I'm not much of a pump person although I've owned a couple Model 12's . I suppose instead of the A-5 I could use my 12 Mag Superposed . But I think I'd prefer a Bert Becker massaged HE Fox or a Model 21 3" !

[Researcher]

With all due respect to the A5 Craig those shells were made for the M12HD. Send some to me, my HD will eat them like M&M's.

No! No! Daryl, Along with the introduction of the Model 12 Heavy Duck, Winchester and Western introduced their 12-gauge 3-inch Super Speed and Super-X MAGNUM loads with 1 5/8 ounce of shot.

[Double Lab]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

No! No! Daryl, Along with the introduction of the Model 12 Heavy Duck, Winchester and Western introduced their 12-gauge 3-inch Super Speed and Super-X MAGNUM loads with 1 5/8 ounce of shot.

Thanks for reminding me about those 1 5/8oz. loads Dave. I can't believe that I used to shoot those through a Mossberg 500 pump. OUCH! I ended up handloading an 1 3/8oz. of 4's which was more effective and more pleasant to shoot.

[6pt-Sika]

The same customer came in today and presented me with a second box of Winchester Leader 12 gauge 3" again with paper hulls and again missing the bottom of the box . These however have 24 in the box and are the 1 5/8 ounce again #4's . These have on the box Winchester Leader SuperWSpeed Staynless .

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

The first appearance of the Lubaloy Super-X loads that I have from Western is in the February 1, 1929, Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun. They are not in the March 1, 1928, edition. The 1 3/8 ounce
Lubaloy load was offered from then into the 1960s. The extreme high brass RECORD case was replaced by the Super-X case shortly after WW-II.

As you can imagine over this time period there were several styles of boxes. So far, I haven't been able to snag a picture of a 12-gauge 3-inch Lubaloy two-piece box from the 1929-1932 period. There are probably versions from 1929 and 1930 with the old corrosive primers and ones from 1931 and 1932 with the new Non-Corrosive Primer.

By 1933, Western had gone to the one-piece shotshell boxes and this style was in use --

Attachment 65206

into 1939, when the blue and yellow boxes came into use. By 1948, the RECORD case had been replaced by the regular Super-X case and the Super-Seal Crimp and the Super Seal Cup Wads replaced the roll-crimp and the Seal-Tite wads --

Attachment 65207

The label on the box is the first one you pictured . Sadly the box is missing the bottom and about seven shells .