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Jerry, I just recently started loading with TSS too. Also purchased from Hal. Looking forward to smoking some gobblers in a few weeks! Amazing that the #9 has the same energy at 60 yards as the lead 4s do at 40!!! Might even use some of these for waterfowl in the future if I can't get any ITX shot. Hal is great at providing recipes for the various loads too. Using 8s or 9s throws a heck of a dense pattern at those birds!!