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Old 09-18-2010, 07:43 AM   #1
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Don't see what the big deal is. If you are worried about your barrel shoot rst or roll your own. Most of the time when you miss it aint because you didn't have enough power its because the shot string went by the target. killed phesants with dove loads when thats all i had and missed with them as well. I'm sorry I get off subject at times. good day ch oh i shot a lot of black at doves works dandy but clean up sure gets old.
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Don't see what the big deal is. If you are worried about your barrel shoot rst or roll your own. Most of the time when you miss it aint because you didn't have enough power its because the shot string went by the target. killed phesants with dove loads when thats all i had and missed with them as well. I'm sorry I get off subject at times. good day ch oh i shot a lot of black at doves works dandy but clean up sure gets old.
I don't either "anymore"
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My main concern in shooting damascus guns is to keep my head down and follow through.

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Nice gun Mike!!!!Like the color of the wood. I'm askin santa 4 a GH 16 with trunips and a 1 frame. ch that was interesting Dave I wood of got a good grade in that class same as spelling. :-)
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Truly a miracle. Next thing you'll be trying the Fed Game Shoc 1 1/8oz loads.

Don't let anybody know. You'll have the low pressure police after you.
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Truly a miracle. Next thing you'll be trying the Fed Game Shoc 1 1/8oz loads.

Don't let anybody know. You'll have the low pressure police after you.

Bruce,

In all honesty, those MagTec BP shells I was loading and using
in the same dram of powder and shot load are much more violent in recoil
than these Federal rounds by a noticeable long shot.
I guess there’s always going to be the seen and unseen reality with
damascus and shotshells like many other things in life.

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Mike, speaking from experience, I can say that achieving a given velocity produced much more recoil with black! I have an interesting chart showing actual recoil in foot pounds for various Winchester rifles, compiled by WRA Co themselves. The black powder loads always had more recoil. I loaded for 5 different 45-70s and can attest to WRA Co's study. Cheers!
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That's because of the difference between black powder drams and smokeless powder dram equivalents. It takes more BP to achieve a given velocity than smokeless, dre is based upon velocity, and the recoil formula is based upon the ejecta, which is greater for BP.

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So bottom line, going BP is not necessarily the best way to go?
Using black powder indeed keeps the chamber pressures way down.
BUT, at the cost of beating the gun and operator with recoil.
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Depending on the year made, most of these damascus Parkers were probably never shot with black powder.
Some people like the smoke and the clean up. They enjoy the nostalgia of it. I've never had the inclination to try it through any of mine, but different strokes......

Dupont bulk smokeless first came in 1885 and at least turn of the century Parker flyers mention recommended loads with Dupont smokeless.
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