Can we make this case label?

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by William Davis

It really has nothing to do with right wrong or Remington.

Company bankrup the sharks come out looking for blood. All it takes is one attorney seeing PGCA using Remington trademarks and having cash in our bank account. He takes us to court and settles out of court, gets a cut of the settlement. The Bankruptcy Court can’t play favorites, have to protect creditors and accepts the agreement.

I was called to testify in a similar case years ago. Attoney representing creditors brought a frivolous lawsuit against a former vendor to the bankrupt company. Case was thrown out it was so ridiculous, vendor had to pay his own legal bills. No recourse.

It’s not worth it.

William

you are correct in all you say


BUT

i find it sad that in this world any more, most of the time, it has nothing to do with right or wrong

[William Davis]

Rick international shipping for years was involved in a number lawsuits. Every legal system is different and we always took the advice of our attorneys. Most of the time in the US the advice was settle because of the cost. Primary difference in the American system vs other countries is no compensation for you expenses when sued even if the case is thrown out.

Key issue in bankruptcy is it’s not Remington that would want compensation for unauthorized use of trademark. It’s the creditors that are looking for money as a group. And the court is likely to agree to hear anyone bringing a legitimate claim. Money recovered goes into the pool paying all creditors. I don’t look on it in a negative way, the creditors deserve to be paid. Only issue I have is frivolous. More often than not the result of overloaded courts accepting most claims & letting the attorneys work it out.

William

[Dean Romig]

Thanks very much Victor. Most of us had never seen that and probably a great many never knew about the suit.





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[Kevin McCormack]

Many thanks for posting this Victor - those of us who lived through it sport many dental appliances as a result!

[Kirk Potter]

This has me curious now, what guns were they actually planning on marketing?

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Kirk Potter

This has me curious now, what guns were they actually planning on marketing?

They had actually produced a handful of prototype O/U competition style guns.

I handled one but was somewhat unimpressed. They planned three or four grades, some highly embellished and some considerably plainer.





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[Kirk Potter]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

They had actually produced a handful of prototype O/U competition style guns.

I handled one but was somewhat unimpressed. They planned three or four grades, some highly embellished and some considerably plainer.





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This is the first I've heard of this.. I was thinking something similar would end up happening now, with Remington being bankrupt.. Just slap the Parker name on some cheap foreign made SXS. I seem to remember Marlin doing this a few years back with LC Smith.

[Dean Romig]

To the best of my knowledge, the PGCA is not concerned with the 'value' of such trademarks beyond the identification they lend to our organization.

We are concerned with 'value' only to the degree that certain monies we receive from membership fees, the sale of research letters, raffle gun income and silent auction income allow us to perpetuate our mission of education of things pertaining to the Parker Gun, other Charles Parker enterprises, and related historical facts.






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[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

To the best of my knowledge, the PGCA is not concerned with the 'value' of such trademarks beyond the identification they lend to our organization.

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I agree, have not seen any mission statement or "Why" statement contrary to your point listed, but nonetheless, PGCA as an entity intended or not creates value to Parker Brand, since in essence as individuals we are users of the product.

I said this before,if it probably wasn't the combined efforts of people that participate with this organization, there would probably be about 100,000 antique Parker shotgun lamps. I would almost dare say its groups of enthusiasts like PGCA that keep significant interest and relevance in still using and maintaining hammer guns with damascus or twist barrel guns. Before coming onto this site I would never have even thought about owning one of those guns, now I am starting to get the bug to try one.

[Victor Wasylyna]

If anyone is interested in reading more about Remington’s PARKER trademark or about the PARKER BROS. trademark that Remington challenged/quashed, I posted some documents on DropBox:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lbjmpukes...a3vYSHtCa?dl=0

Does not tell the whole story, but there are some interesting tidbits.

-Victor